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My new gas range is kosher(13 posts)

My new gas range is koshermohair_chair
Oct 6, 2003 9:15 AM
I just bought a new gas range, and one interesting feature it has is "Sabbath Mode," which according to the manual, meets the "no work" requirements for the Sabbath. From the manual:

The Sabbath Mode sets the oven to remain on in a bake setting until turned off. When the Sabbath Mode is set, only the number and start pads will function, no tones will sound, and the displays will not show messages or temperature changes. The heat sources icons will appear lit on the oven display throughout the Sabbath Mode.

When the oven door is opened or closed, the oven light will not turn on or off and the heating elements will not turn on or off immediately.


Anyone else find this a little strange? I don't know much about Jewish customs and laws, but none of my other appliances and devices have Sabbath Mode. Why this one?
Because even Jews buy rangesfiltersweep
Oct 6, 2003 9:37 AM
-do you ever read food product labeling?

Maybe it is because the CEO where I work is Jewish... it also explains why I'm not at work today ;)
but they avoid ovens whenever possiblePoseur
Oct 6, 2003 9:48 AM
nm
re: My new gas range is kosherKristin
Oct 6, 2003 10:08 AM
http://www.star-k.org/ind-whatisstark-news.htm

Appliances that help Jews Keep Kosher
By Annie Groer
WASHINGTON POST

WASHINGTON - In the beginning, strict biblical edicts governed cooking during the Jewish Sabbath and holy days.

These days, appliance-makers are adding features to help Jews cook yet comply with bans on work during the day of rest and starting fires on holidays. Dacor (since 1989), KitchenAid (since 1996) and General Electric (beginning this week) offer ovens and stoves equipped with what all call a "Sabbath mode."

"There are two time periods when observant Jewish people cannot cook food in the regular manner," said Rabbi Avrom Pollak, president of STAR-K, a Baltimore organization that certifies food as kosher. "On the Sabbath, you cannot cook, but you can keep food warm. On the holiday, one may actually cook food to be used on the holiday, but one cannot start a fire or turn a fire off." All three companies have added switches that deactivate lights, beepers and electronic icons. GE and KitchenAid have added a switch to override their 12-hour safety shutoffs so food can be warmed for 24 hours or longer. GE's new entry in the category also has included a time-delayed temperature change device. All three manufacturers have STAR-K certification for the Sabbath-mode appliances. The additional features are included in the standard prices.

Rabbi Pollak estimated that 500,000 U.S. households keep kosher, and their occupants represent a desirable target market. "They tend to place a lot more emphasis on their kitchens than the population at large. They tend not to eat out a lot. Family meals are an important part of life, so they put a lot of emphasis on what's in their kitchen. They tend to spend a lot more when they remodel or buy new appliances."
Orthodox and some Conservatives only.sn69
Oct 6, 2003 5:04 PM
Good explanation, Kristin. I'm Reformed, thus, beer, drag racing, flying and, of course, rage/oven use is fine on the Sabbath. Hell, listening to Black Sabbath on the Sabbath is fine fer us.
My SOS pads are kosher....WTF???......nmHammy71
Oct 7, 2003 8:27 AM
interestingDougSloan
Oct 7, 2003 12:47 PM
It's interesting to see people inventing "tricks" to do end runs around holy law/traditions. This is about the most complex one I've heard of. Would God really care if your oven beeped while you were (not) cooking on the Sabbath?

Can't start or extinguish fires on the Sabbath? I know some Jewish smokers who would have a really hard time with that one.

Reminds me of the "Blue Laws" when I was a kid in Missouri. You could not buy certain things on Sundays. A grocery store could be open, but you couldn't buy the pair of gloves they had for sale there. When visiting my grandfather, he threw a fit about that very thing one time, because I was wanting to play outside but had no gloves. The store refused (by law, they said) to sell us a $2 pair of cotton gloves. You could buy a box of detergent to wash the gloves, just not the gloves. I assume that the Blue Laws were derived from the Bible, but I think something got lost in the translation.

I suppose the store could have had a "Sabbath Mode." You take the gloves, but you don't pay for them until Monday. Or, you pre-pay a deposit on Saturday, then you can get what you want on Sunday. No purchase on Sunday. There, God and everyone are happy.

I would think that the act of trying to subvert holy law or "fool" God would be worse than breaking the Sabbath...

Doug
How about the Blue Laws regarding booze?Kristin
Oct 8, 2003 8:35 AM
It was always a challenge, as a minor, to score enough booze on Friday and Saturday to last the entire weekend.

:-)
any serious alcoholic would stock upDougSloan
Oct 8, 2003 9:04 AM
Still have those laws in many places. The serious beer drinking buds of mine in Kansas hit the store on Saturday and fill the fridge in the garage for Sunday.

I didn't drink as a minor, so I wouldn't know about that.

Doug
in CO they only sell 3.2% beer on Sunday...yuck! (nm)ColnagoFE
Oct 8, 2003 9:25 AM
you just drink twice as much nmDougSloan
Oct 8, 2003 10:17 AM
That doesn't workTJeanloz
Oct 8, 2003 11:40 AM
It is a fact proven by many University of Colorado students that one cannot drink enough 3.2% beer to get drunk. It is not possible.
ha...I lived in Colorado when 18 year olds could drink 3.2ColnagoFE
Oct 8, 2003 12:15 PM
We would go around the bar with a pitcher in hand rather than a glass and drank directly out of that. You could get drunk, but it took quite a bit of work and you usually got full before any real damage was done. In addition you peed quite a lot. As they say...where there is a will there is a way, but it wasn't pretty.