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Wesley Clarke proposes time travel to solve our problems!(39 posts)

Wesley Clarke proposes time travel to solve our problems!ClydeTri
Sep 30, 2003 10:30 AM
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,60629,00.html
man, those Dems are reeeaaaally reaching for issues ;-)DougSloan
Sep 30, 2003 10:35 AM
Faster than light travel? Now that's a hot topic! Must be going after that nerdy Trekie vote...

Doug
Warning: Typical conservative distortion of facts aboveSilverback
Sep 30, 2003 10:44 AM
But hey, it made Rush Limbaugh rich and famous. And look how well we're doing with a president locked into the past.
Well, how else does one top Gore? Invent time travel, of course!Kristin
Sep 30, 2003 10:51 AM
That's funny. This, my friends, is the product of a Star Trek generation. All chuckling aside though, I kinda like his thinking--even if this idea is not plausable. He's dreaming. Innovating. That is one of America's greatest assets. We've run the patent race against many nations, and we've won more often than not. I've sensed that innovation is beginning to stagnate. Yes, we are continuously increasing the speed of CPU's; but we haven't seen any truly new idea's in a long time. (Excepting, perhaps, the Segway technology, who's potential is still unknown.) I'd like to see innovation rekindled in America, and Clark sounds like the kind of guy who would support it. Lets just hope he has good advisors who will help him choose what to and not to spend billions on. (Time travel is too much of a long shot I'm thinking.)
But what Gore REALLY said was at least arguably true.Silverback
Sep 30, 2003 2:07 PM
Gore never claimed to have invented the internet. Bush, in a campaign speech, claimed he did. What Gore actually said was "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in inventing the internet."
In fact he WAS an early supporter in Congress. According to Vincent Cerf, a senior vice president with MCI Worldcom who's been called the Father of the Internet, "The Internet would not be where it is in the United States without the strong support given to it . . . by the Vice President in his current role and in his earlier role as Senator."
The inventor of the Mosaic Browser, Marc Andreesen, also credits Gore. He received a federal grant through Gore's High Performance Computing Act. And U of Pa's Dave Ferber says that without Gore the Internet "would not be where it is today."
But wait, there's more: The widely ridiculed claim that Gore said he discovered the pollution in Love Canal was also false--the New York Times and Washington Post printed retractions a few days after reporting the story. And finally, he really WAS the model for Oliver Barrett in "Love Story." That was confirmed by Erich Segal, who knew Gore at Harvard and wrote the book.
Damn Republicans will say ANYTHING.
The "Love Story" thing was only partially true.MR_GRUMPY
Oct 1, 2003 6:40 AM
He should have know that the character was a composite of real people.
He's a big sci-fi fan. And no I am not stalking him.dr hoo
Sep 30, 2003 10:58 AM
I like a little dreamer in a leader. It's what makes them leaders, that they can imagine a better place and then try to make it happen.

Now being a successful leader, that takes a bit more than a dream!
200 Years ago, it was a known fact that people .......MR_GRUMPY
Sep 30, 2003 11:02 AM
couldn't fly, or go over 50 MPH.
Clark isn't a very good politician. He should know not to ever say anything that he wasn't told to say.
Hmmm. Could we use a bad politician in office?Kristin
Sep 30, 2003 11:19 AM
The good ones have a pretty bad track record. Okay, perhaps not. Bush is a bad politician, but I can't figure out exactly what he'd be good at. At first I thought perhaps he'd make a good manager. Well, but only if he never had to speak in a meeting. Then I wondered if he'd make a good foreman, but I just can't imagine him in jeans and a t-shirt. He might try being a DJ with James Dobson or a television evangelist; but those require speaking too. He needs a job that doesn't require language. In the end, I determined that he'd be best at what he always was. The rich son of an x-president. He can build and ruin empires to his hearts content. Just don't let it be America.

Would a politician who isn't a puppet, but who speaks freely and doesn't play the game be good in office? Would someone like that even survive in office? I don't think much about Clinton as a person, but I had to admire his ability to be shrewd. He has the ability to make ambiguous statements that do not offend people on either side of the fence. In the end, you didn't know where the hell he really stood, but you weren't offended.

What would happen if we had a West Wing type of president??? Possible even?
Both Bush and Clinton are "good" politicians.MR_GRUMPY
Sep 30, 2003 11:50 AM
Carter was not. He would say things that got the Washington Democrats mad at him.
Clarke makes frat. party joke. Dems concede election. jeesh nm128
Sep 30, 2003 11:10 AM
I think we should look at this statement on another levelLive Steam
Sep 30, 2003 12:02 PM
I can imagine what the response would have been, if GW uttered those words. You liberal Bush haters would have torn him to shred on the basic level that he is "out there" or "getting flashbacks from all the partying" or some other snide remark about a "childlike understanding of physics" or something to that effect. Now it's OK for some weasel Dumocrat, if that is what he really is, to say something silly like that. He is looked upon as a futuristic dreamer? :O) LOL!!

I think we should look at these statements in another light because this may have been the topic of discussion if Bush made the same statements. I think they would go something like this: "He is going to inflate spending on pie in the sky aerospace projects because his buddies are in the industry and he can line their pockets". Or how about "The federal government shouldn't be spending our tax dollars on this type of research when there are so many mouths to feed and social programs that need funding." Or "Shouldn't this type of research be left to the private sector rather than spending federal dollars on weird science that is of no use to us?"

Sound plausible?
Nah, you already showed us the sub-basement walkdown view nm :O)128
Sep 30, 2003 12:10 PM
Yes, that's all plausableKristin
Sep 30, 2003 12:11 PM
Those are many of the same questions that ran through my head, and I would ask them of any politician in office. I was merely stating that having an innovative side is not a bad thing. But, yes, it can lead to bad things if not wielded with maturity.
Personally I think it's fine for the ...Live Steam
Sep 30, 2003 12:17 PM
government to fund research and for money to be spent on "new science". I also think it's fine for Presidents and candidates to express their interests in these subjects. But I thought I would just point out that instead of looking at this man with such admiration for "thinking outside the box", in a way - his statement could also be turned into something detrimental to his candidacy. I guess it all depends upon how you perceive the person. Bush woulda' gotten roasted!
We would laugh, if Bush said it, because he is a dope. nmMR_GRUMPY
Sep 30, 2003 12:38 PM
See what I mean? You didn't even put a little ....Live Steam
Sep 30, 2003 12:40 PM
smiley face after it so I guess you meant it :O)
But he is....... Everybody knows that.MR_GRUMPY
Sep 30, 2003 12:55 PM
Just like Bill has a "pants" problem......George has a "brain" problem.
so, neither thinks with his brain? ;-) nmDougSloan
Sep 30, 2003 12:59 PM
Bill could think very clearly when Hillary was spraying him..MR_GRUMPY
Sep 30, 2003 1:04 PM
with the "rose" garden hose.
sounds reasonable to memohair_chair
Sep 30, 2003 12:16 PM
I think time travel could solve many of the problems we have today, so I'm all for it. Imagine, we could take all the taxes collected today, go back to about 1980, invest it in Microsoft and Intel and Apple, then come back to current time and sell it. No more budget crisis. No more deficit. We could snatch the global annoyances Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, and Jennifer Lopez, and stash them away in dark cells for the rest of their lives. We could prevent John Lennon from being gunned down. I'm all for it. It sure beats the hell out of any of the other ideas for fixing things! And in many cases, from what I hear, it's just as practical.

As Secretary of Time Travel, I think he should appoint Michael J. Fox or Jean Claude Van Damme.
ooooh, maybe he's really from the future, here to save us? nmDougSloan
Sep 30, 2003 12:33 PM
no, that would be Arnold nmmohair_chair
Sep 30, 2003 12:43 PM
and, we can find out if oj really did it! nmrufus
Sep 30, 2003 3:23 PM
Ahh, but Bushisms show REAL a absence of intellectPdxMark
Sep 30, 2003 12:44 PM
For example: "Security is the essential roadblock to achieving the road map to peace." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., July 25, 2003

So Clarke posits an opinion that stretches the bounds of general relativity, and BuSh can't keep straight whether security is good or bad in the Middle East. Or maybe he can keep it straight but he can't figure out how to form a sentence stating what he thinks. Which is it? Is he substantively stupid or just incapable of stating simple sentences?
"The war on terror involves Saddam Hussein because...PdxMark
Sep 30, 2003 12:49 PM
... of the nature of Saddam Hussein, the history of Saddam Hussein, and his willingness to terrorize himself." —George W. Bush, Grand Rapids, Mich., Jan. 29, 2003

So, what say folks, can we take our President at his WORD, or do we just have to figure out what he meant despite what he says?
Well, mostly we just laugh.Kristin
Sep 30, 2003 12:54 PM
Someone in the White House gets paid to figure out what he means.
unlike quibbling about the definition of "is"? nmDougSloan
Sep 30, 2003 1:38 PM
No, it just means that his brain doesn't work right.MR_GRUMPY
Sep 30, 2003 12:59 PM
He should run for mayor of Chicago. He'd fit in well.
What? You don't like Mayor Daly?Kristin
Sep 30, 2003 1:03 PM
He's a good, old-fashioned, mob boss. No brains required for the job. (Just kidding, kinda. I like Mayor Daly. He's not eloquent, but he gets the job done. I like that you always know his opinion on something. He doesn't put on airs.)
He's a little like George.MR_GRUMPY
Sep 30, 2003 1:09 PM
Except that he doesn't have people to tell him what to say.
Can't you tell. When he's on camera, you don't see all those strings going up to where you can't see.
nawDougSloan
Sep 30, 2003 1:34 PM
Show me anyone who could be quoted in the media 5 times a day, every day, for years on end, and not make a few gaffs now and then, particularly out of context. Let he who is without chagrin cast the first stone.

Doug
ya, but this is one area in which GW excels nmPdxMark
Sep 30, 2003 2:09 PM
shall we compare?DougSloan
Sep 30, 2003 2:51 PM
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Now, there is an essential difference in the GWB and WJC quotes. Bush confuses words, but is essentially sincere. Clinton knew exactly what he was saying, and that is what was really scary.

Doug
Imagine the sound of TWO hands clapping!!!!!!!!! Your ...Live Steam
Sep 30, 2003 3:08 PM
assessment of the reasoning behind the gaffs, is spot on! I am sure you just scratched the surface on WJC quotes.
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Sep 30, 2003 4:02 PM
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A few ???.........Thousands.......Millions....Zillions....MR_GRUMPY
Oct 1, 2003 7:12 AM
George wouldn't have this problem, if he hadn't smoked all that weed in school.