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Concerts just aren't any fun anymore...mohair_chair
Sep 29, 2003 10:59 AM
(09-29) 09:39 PDT ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. (AP) --

The St. Petersburg city council passed a law Monday designed to scuttle a rock group's plans to feature an onstage suicide.

The hard-rock band Hell on Earth had said that a suicide by a terminally ill person would take place during a concert Saturday to raise awareness of right-to-die issues.

In response, the city council met Monday morning to unanimously approve an emergency ordinance making it illegal to conduct a suicide for commercial or entertainment purposes, and to host, promote and sell tickets for such an event.

"While I still think it's a publicity stunt, we still couldn't sit idly by and let somebody lose their life," council member Bill Foster said.

Tampa-based Hell of Earth, known for such outrageous onstage stunts as chocolate syrup wrestling and grinding up live rats in a blender, created the furor by announcing the suicide would happen Saturday at the Palace Theater in downtown St. Petersburg.

But the theater's owner, David Hundley, promptly canceled the band's show, and another venue also turned away the event.

Band leader Billy Tourtelot has vowed that the concert and suicide will still take place at an undisclosed location in the city, broadcast live on the band's Web site.

"This show is far more than a typical Hell On Earth performance," Tourtelot said in an e-mail last week. "This is about standing up for what you believe in, and I am a strong supporter of physician-assisted suicide."
You're right...rwbadley
Sep 29, 2003 11:34 AM
I murdered myself at more than one concert.

This subject raises all sorts of issues.

The grinding up of live animals is rather offensive. If this is what he believes in, I would not be interested in the rest of his story.

The chocolate syrup wrestling if done right, could be fun.
"If done right..." COL (chuckle out loud). funny. nm128
Sep 29, 2003 11:38 AM
Now that's letting the music do the talking. nm128
Sep 29, 2003 11:35 AM
paging DougHot Carl
Sep 29, 2003 12:04 PM
I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think laws can be set up if they specifically target a group or individual. Could this be a free speech case or an issue of prior restraint?

How lame and sad is rock music today? Hard Rock groups use to unite for worthy causes like t!tty flashing, no-frisk entrances, non-flamable hair spray, and easier-to-use keg taps.

What are the silver foxes on city council expecting? You'd think they'd support an issue near and dear to their hearts. They should be happy the kids are taking an interest in important issues.

Will it be live, with an 80 yr-old dude with a Dr. Kevorkian special drip hanging out by the drum kit, waiting for his cue to kick off? After they show the death-drip valve opening, the band can bust into their first song, "Rod of Iron." The security goons can then hurl the patient into the mosh pit for his last ride.

-Spoiler trying out a new name.
Sep 29, 2003 5:04 PM
Homocide isn't speech. Even if it were, there is an exception to allowable free speech for acts or speech threatening imminent bodily harm. I think this would qualify.

Ugh. I'm surprised St. Pete isn't welcoming it.Kristin
Sep 29, 2003 12:47 PM
Their entire tourism industry is built on the paranormal. Why wouldn't they want the ghost of the first public, self-termination, at a punk rock concert? That would be big.

Okay, all joking aside, let me tell you a story I recently heard. This is the story of a friend. Her mother had been diabetic since she was a little girl (the mother that is). In her 70's, she'd begun to battle the more severe affects of the disease. Life was becoming difficult. Then, as if that weren't enough, they discover she has a brain tumor. They operate, but can not remove the entire tumor. She recovers from the surgery but is faced with the grim truth that the tumor will eventually claim her life. It begins to grow. Slowly at first. Then more rapidly. She loses the ability to walk. They give her some drugs to help which have negative side affects. She is wheelchair bound. She has several other battles which lead to her being bedridden. Next her body stops producing an enzyme that is needed to digest food. They put her on a feeding tube. She is now bedridden with tubes. Her body gets nourished, but the drugs are psycosymatic. She is having hallucinations. The hospital care is costing thousands of dollars a day, her reality is undesirable and her death inevitable. They have a family meeting--have no doubt, there is much love in that room. But this is not good for anyone. They, together, make the decision to pull her feeding tube. The only option legally available to them. She slowly starves for 2 weeks before her body gives up the fight.

As my friend told me this--she was simply telling me to talk, she has no agenda--I cried. It makes me think about this ethanasia issue in a whole new light. No opinions here. There is nothing simple about the issue. Nothing easy to be said about it at all. But I walked away very sad and will not think about the topic in the same way ever again.
uh, from the sourceDougSloan
Sep 29, 2003 5:02 PM
Check who the president of the St. Pete Chamber of Commerce is...

And, check the tourism page...

I don't recall any references to paranormal attractions in the 11 years my dad has been chamber president. Not that there might not be some, but it certainly isn't the "entire industry".

Nonetheless, this whole idea of people buying tickets to see someone offing himself is sick. It is not protected speech, and certainly the state can regulate (under present laws, at least) suicide.

Sep 30, 2003 5:10 AM
Well, after reading recent newspaper articles, I'm happy to hear your dad wasn't the president of the Fresno Chamber of Commerce. ;-)
Sep 30, 2003 6:19 AM
But he used to be. Not a chance that would be my father. He's a squeeky clean Dudley Dooright tea totaller.

Now, the job may open up soon...

Ack. Sorry. I was thinking of Saint AugustineKristin
Sep 30, 2003 5:55 AM
Too many damn saints in Florida. Can't keep them straight. We visited St. Augustine a bunch of years ago and one of thier biggest draws was hauntings in the town. Something fun to do in college--and it was a pretty cheap trip. Anyway. Sorry for the mixup.

So your dad is the president of the chamber there? I guess this issue hits home for you literally.
that sounds right nmDougSloan
Sep 30, 2003 6:20 AM