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Wesley Clark is Hillary's sock puppet?(17 posts)

Wesley Clark is Hillary's sock puppet?moneyman
Sep 23, 2003 8:50 AM
I heard that term the other day. Then today I read a column by William Safire suggesting that the reason Clark is running is to take the light off Dean, splitting the Lieberman/Kerry vote, and then getting Hillary drafted as the only viable Democrat to be able to beat Bush. Also, if Dean were to win, he would control the leadership of the Democrat party, and Clinton's pal Terry McCauliffe would be out. Part of the strategy is to keep McCauliffe in and the Clinton's in control of the Dems.

This is absolutely fascinating. Assuming this stuff is true, I can't help but marvel at the brashness of the Clinton's and their need to stay in power. It makes me think of a Mafia Don running his operation from prison.

I know this has been discussed here before, but the Safire column, IMO, gave the theory a fair amount of credibility.

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I heard "stalking horse" Etymologists? nm128
Sep 23, 2003 9:10 AM
I've had to look that one up before,TJeanloz
Sep 23, 2003 9:19 AM
"Stalking horse", a phrase used very often in my line of work, is a decoy put out to obscure ones true intentions. In merger and acquisition discussions, especially bankruptcies, the stalking horse bidder is the guy who enters the first offer, and is then used by everybody else as a shield to hide their intentions behind.

I understand that the term is accepted in politics to be a candidate intentionally inserted to divide votes or hide somebody else's canidacy.

In the historical context, using a stalking horse is the practice of hiding behind one's horse while hunting.
I see. Thanks. Cool metaphor. nm128
Sep 23, 2003 9:46 AM
wowmohair_chair
Sep 23, 2003 9:16 AM
So you take a bunch of "suggestions" from a columnist and your own assumptions, and then you marvel at the brashness of the Clintons??? Look within, my friend.
Really moneyman, I am surprised ...Live Steam
Sep 23, 2003 9:23 AM
you have an opinion about anything ;O)

I like the theory and wouldn't put it past the Clintonistas. I have always winced at the fact that a couple that screwed up the least prosperous, least educated state in the union, could get elected to the highest offices in the land. They must be playing dirty pool!
and yet everything to do with halliburtonrufus
Sep 23, 2003 10:18 AM
is on the up and up? it amazes me how and where people see their conspiracies.
Safiremoneyman
Sep 23, 2003 9:58 AM
Not exactly a shill for the Republicans, but a conservative voice nonetheless. He has a great deal of credibility in Washington and his contacts are outstanding. He doesn't write things without substantial basis, and that is why I find the scenario described to be believable.

My own "assumptions" are based on observation of the Clintons from the start, and my admiration for them as political animals.

BTW - Those cheesburger things look disgusting. I read about them in the paper today as well.

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mistakegregario
Sep 23, 2003 9:25 AM
As for me, I would NEVER vote for Hillary. Right now as a middle of the roader, I'm ready to vote Bush out of office and put mostly anyone in there instead. Anyone but Hillary.
Hillary can never winDougSloan
Sep 23, 2003 9:37 AM
I agree on the Hillarity issue. She will never, never, never be elected president (at least of the USA). All of the back room strategery in the universe from now till the end of time won't change that. I can't envision any scenario that would exist in the US that would create an environment that would permit her election. No way. No how.

Doug
I said the same thing when she was running for the senate :O( nmLive Steam
Sep 23, 2003 9:48 AM
i wouldn't make that assumptionPaulCL
Sep 23, 2003 10:18 AM
The quest, the desire to win would make many a democrat push her into the race. We have elected scumbags (oops, my bias is showing) in the past, why not her?? She has a big name, controls a big state, will get lots of cash and could act as a 'savior' for the democratic party.

Personally, she makes me sick. I hope she stays out. I would bet that the repubs are sitting on a lot of Hillarity dirt - or at least I hope.
Hillary can never winDuane Gran
Sep 23, 2003 12:01 PM
It is rather amazing how successful she has been at fundraising and how quickly she has risen to prominence in the Senate. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if she were elected. I'm sure she will run in 08 if Bush is re-elected.
will there be an '08 if Bush is re-elected? ;).nmrwbadley
Sep 23, 2003 12:07 PM
Just one thing I have to say:OldEdScott
Sep 23, 2003 1:46 PM
Hee, hee.
Only Repubs talking about Hillary running?kilimanjaro
Sep 24, 2003 12:36 PM
I asked a similar question a while back. I am surprised no one has mentioned the following article

http://slate.msn.com/id/2088758/

OldEd,

Can you confirm this? or is this the Democratic Party's "flanking"? Oops hope I did not let out any cladestine secretes.
Lets just sayOldEdScott
Sep 24, 2003 1:05 PM
anything that gets the country talking about a Democrat challenger to Bush is a GOOD thing.

Let's also say, Bill wants her to run. I'll let you interpret that according to your own lights.

Ho ho.