|Any recommendations on a good handgun for self defense?||RadicalRonPruitt|
Sep 18, 2003 12:37 PM
|I am looking into a good handgun for the house and would appreciate any recommendations from gun owners here. I am currently reading this link here:
Thank you in advance. I don't want a large gun, but it needs to be powerful enough to stop a burglar or a large dog, if I get chased on my bike rides. I don't think I will ever use it on my rides, though, but just in case.
|this one is perfect for you||mohair_chair|
Sep 18, 2003 12:45 PM
|German Flintlock Pistol/Axe Combination - (AAC-178)
A late 17th century unique flintlock pistol doubles as a battle axe.
|Very nice weapon...||RadicalRonPruitt|
Sep 18, 2003 2:39 PM
|That is an interesting weapon, indeed. Thank you; however, I am looking for a good solid handgun that will do a lot of damage. If I am forced to shoot somebody in my home, I want to make sure the vermin dies. I don't want some injured criminal living so they can sue me or my family. Anybody know about the Colt 45? Is it a safe bet? Thank you.
Here is a great article for the ladies here: It is entitled: "Handguns are a Girls Best Friend." Here is the link:
|re: Any recommendations on a good handgun for self defense?||jose_Tex_mex|
Sep 18, 2003 4:32 PM
I would suggest you go to a dealer and try a few out for size. Also, it would help to know how experienced you and those who will have access to the weapon as well as price range.
I would stay away from Beretta's, but that's my personal opinion. I would go for a Sig, Glock, HK, Colt, or something along those lines. Heck, buy them all just in case Hillary decides to run :-)
So what's the purpose? Protection? Plinking? More than likely you will need to do a bit of plinking to be proficient. I took my wife to the range and let her shoot a 45. She was astonished to see she could not hit a poster size target with a magazine at 15 yards (her first time). A little instruction and everything changed. For home defense I would prefer she hits the target at least once rather than hits it with a big bullet.
Most gun battles take place in about the 15 yard range and are over in just a few shots. Thus, a six shooter might be the way to go. It will not jam.
However, I do like the Walther P22 Pistol. A 22 will not kick much and you will hit whatever you are shooting.
You will probably want to check out the cost of ammo (ammunitionStore.com) to see how pricey it will be as a shooter.
I saw a Taurus (Brazilian) revolver in 22LR. Cheap ammo, won't jam, and easy to shoot. Not a sexy gun, but very practical. About $250.
Check out southernOhioGun.com , impactGuns.com , gunBroker.com , and gunsAmerica.com . Check out the Sig P220 in 9mm at http://southernohiogun.com/new_hand.html
A 22LR Target pistol might just be your best bet. Lot's of nice MK II Ruger's out there.
|re: Any recommendations on a good handgun for self defense?||Skip|
Sep 18, 2003 7:31 PM
|For a handgun, I'd recommend a 9mm. A Glock feels good and shoots well (in my hands), but there are many makes out there. One of the best home protection guns though, isn't a handgun, but a 12ga - pump, auto. with double OO buckshot Very effective, doesn't require a lot of aiming in the middle of the night. Just be sure of your target.|
|Thank you Skip and Jose.||RadicalRonPruitt|
Sep 18, 2003 7:38 PM
|I appreciate the information as it is very informative. I recognize that my wife, Gayle, and I will need to take lessons, and receive professional instructions on the proper/safe use of a firearm.
I am thinking about getting a gun in the Pizza Hut as well for my employees; I need to check the laws on that. They put a bomb around that poor pizza delivery man, and now the employees are a little nervous about that. We already have cameras installed.
Great information and thanks again Jose. I am getting excited about this purchase! It will be a great opportunity for my wife and I to get out of the house and do something together.
|just stay in the house and do someting together...||rwbadley|
Sep 18, 2003 8:44 PM
|Not knowing where you live but... go to the local range and check out what they have. Be informed first and go from there.
Stay away from weapons in the workplace....really really really bad idea. (emphasis on the 'really')
Get and ride a tandem. Take yoga, watch tv, do some humping. You don't need heavy metal to get close to your honey.
|Glad to help... Now join the NRA :-)||jose_Tex_mex|
Sep 19, 2003 12:01 AM
|Seriously, if you get a gun please join the NRA. I just got a three year membership for $70 - call them, they will do it for you. Any doubts? How does the Phrase Madame President Clinton and the First Man sound?
Other words of advice. Often people will miss with their first shot, or at least need to zero in. It may pay to keep a fragmentation bullet as your first shot and regular bullets throughout. If you do miss, the bullet will break up rather than skip and redirect. Lot's of cops do this.
As for gun handling. There's a few basics I go by.
1) Never take in your hands a weapon that the giver has not just opened (barrel or slide), checked for a round, and dropped the magazine.
2) If the giver has done all of the above, you can then take it and do the same thing yourself - check for a live round. Keep in mind you are leaving your prints on a weapon so know whose weapon it is.
3) Now you can give it the once over and admire. When ready to return, open slide (barrel), check for live round, drop magazine (leave unlocked). Hand back.
That's my two cents.
Oh yeah, NEVER dry fire any gun. Don't get in to a habit of putting your finger on the trigger. Finally, do not point at anything you do not intend to kill.
Let us know what you get...
|I am joining the NRA tomorrow.||RadicalRonPruitt|
Sep 19, 2003 1:01 AM
|I need to know about this stuff. I need to do more research, Jose, because I am new to the terminology of handguns and guns in particular.
I will get the gun, and I will make my wife learn how to use it, but killing a human, even if he is invading my house gives me pause. Oh, I will kill him without a thought, but...
These are the only things I have killed in my entire life:
1. A bird with a bb gun when I was 12 years old. I felt guilty.
2. I chased a squirrel and killed it with a shovel on a dare from some friends when I was 15 years old. The poor squirrel just writhed around and would not die; I felt so guilty I slammed that shovel on that poor squirrel about 20 times. My friends laughed, but I felt guilty.
To be honest, it will be alot easier for me, killing a man who comes into my home, than a squirrel. Why is that?
A friend of mine says (for the last ten years) I need to go hunting with him. Maybe I will take him up on his generous offer. He is a renowned hunter in my neck of the woods.
Thanks a lot again Jose (and Skip)...
|re: Any recommendations on a good handgun for self defense?||jose_Tex_mex|
Sep 18, 2003 11:50 PM
You're absolutely right about the shotgun. There's something about the sound of a shotgun being racked that makes criminals seriously reconsider their actions.
When it comes down to chosing one weapon - shotgun wins.
|re: Any recommendations on a good handgun for self defense?||Skip|
Sep 20, 2003 11:19 AM
I totally agree - just the sound of a 12ga pump chambering a round has got to be sobering to any person B&Eing a home - whatever their intent.
I have many hand guns (.22, 9mm, .357, .38, .32, etc.), but that 12ga pump is a sure comforting home protection weapon to have. Many choices for ammo too.
I also highly recommend joining the NRA, and your local gun club.
Good luck in your search, and keep safety foremost.
|Hey chowderhead, where's my fn pizza huh? Stand and Deliver!||128|
Sep 19, 2003 4:38 AM
|and make sure that gun's longer than your penis, that way imho, when you realize you've absolutely no use for it aside from trolling and macho posturing, you can fk yourself with it! /:0)
Just trying to help, chum.
|If you can't say something nice, 128...||RadicalRonPruitt|
Sep 19, 2003 6:31 AM
|Then don't say anything at all.
It is guys like you, 128, that I will be shooting to kill, when you and your cohorts break into my home and threaten my family. You have helped reinforce my decision. I will pray for you.
|I think you're cute.||128|
Sep 19, 2003 7:13 AM
|Sounds like a rough ghet-toe block you walk Pizza Man (corner of Back and Sesame??), ready to kill at the slighest provocation. Maybe that is the proof a shooter like you shouldn't be trusted with rubber bands, never mind the 2nd Amendment.
It's guys like you make me see the purpose of round-tip, plastic scissors.
All my love. Please send pie.
|Ron, we should pray for you. The odds are against you.||torquer|
Sep 19, 2003 7:29 AM
|Ron, 128 may have been asking for it with his provocation, but your response is exactly what Handgun Control Inc. likes to hear.
Some statistics for you to ponder:
Guns kept in the home for self-protection are 43 times more likely to kill a family member, friend, or acquaintance than to kill an intruder.
(Study by Arthur Kellermann, et al, New England Journal of Medicine, June 1986)
(Not sure whether this use of "family member" includes suicides, which are also obviously facilitated by guns kept in the house.)
In 1993, there were only 251 justifiable handgun homicides compared with a total of 14,204 handgun murders in the United States.
(FBI Uniform Crime Report.5)
Go join the NRA; their safety training is the one good thing, IMHO, that they have accomplished.
|You *always* take his side...||128|
Sep 19, 2003 7:58 AM
|It's his fault. He started it. Ask anyone!
I'm just mad b/c HE won't send me a pizza, with which HE constantly provokes and curries favor to hide his attempts at controversy thiny veiled in plausability. don't you see? Are you duped! He's a pretender! Locator for the virgin King! An Ally of the leecher! But I, I see through him! The lies the deceit....the-Greek-style pizza.
But you have managed to see through my smokescreen and crack the kernal of truth and purpose (interesting stats). Thanks for interpreting. Takin notes PizzaMan? Lest the reason become clear down my barrels freshly filled powerload.
|Something for you to ponder||53T|
Sep 19, 2003 5:57 PM
|Your first stat is misquoted, change the first "kill" to "injure" to corect the quote. Now that that is done, it's not true, to be more specific, it's a lie. HCI really loves it when you perpetuate their lies. Did you know that Arther Kellermann is a stooge for HCI?
Your second stat is a little odd. Are you sure that that large number is not the number of handgun deaths (including suicides)?
|Not that Kellermann crap again...||Matno|
Sep 25, 2003 8:07 PM
|There's a reason why anti-gun advocates quote his 1986 study so often. It's because there aren't ANY other studies to substantiate his false conclusions. There have been plenty of studies showing that guns are used FAR more to prevent crime than to commit it; much more recent and more accurate studies.|
|Hey! That MISTER Chowderhead to you, pal!....nm||bicyclerepairman|
Sep 22, 2003 10:35 PM
|.40 cal or .357 best choices.||jesse1|
Sep 19, 2003 5:12 AM
|These calibers keep the gun size resonable, and pack enough punch, that even if you're a little off the mark, the intended target probably won't be giving you any trouble.
If you have kids in the house - I stronly recommend the .40, as it's a semi-auto, and you can keep it un-loaded until you need it and be able to load it in one second by slamming in the clip. Plus, it's just a little more "complicated" for a child to use if it should fall into their hands - God forbid!
I have a Taurus .40, and find it to be quite a bit cheaper than a Smith, but basicaly the same design (it's a foreign copycat!).
|.40 cal or .357 best choices.||RadicalRonPruitt|
Sep 19, 2003 6:35 AM
|Thanks Jesse. I have narrowed it down to that caliber range. My wife is actually getting pretty excited about this purchase. Who would a thunk it? I like the safety factor you mentioned.
Man, I am going to have to leave the front door open one evening, once we get this thing, so I can test it out on a real person. Just kidding.
|Don't listen to these morons||Spoiler|
Sep 19, 2003 8:17 AM
|You said you need something to carry with you on the bike to stop chasing dogs.
Someone want to explain to me how Ron's going to sprint for the town limit sign with a Benelli M1 12 Gauge in hanging out of his jersey pocket?
What you need is small and lightweight. Bike manufacturers aren't the only ones taking advantage of scandium, vanadium, and titanium alloys.
Smith & Wesson has a line of Airlite handguns. I think the Model 340 is the ticket. It's a 357 magnum weighing only 12 ounces.
|Bless this holy hand grenade...||rwbadley|
Sep 19, 2003 9:22 AM
|What a beauty. I bet that one costs a dime or two.
I can just see the results of an unplanned cycling dismount.
The sound of cursing, the crunch of metal on pavement, followed by the loud report of a .357... Radical Ron, having kept heat in his shorts, along with his lunch money; is writhing on the ground in agony. 'Damdamdam -I shot the jewels clean off, help me find 'em will ya'? Maybe we can get the splattered remains sewn back on! How am I goin'ta explain this one to Gail?
|Have you ever shot a .357 titanium or aluminum framed revolver?||MXL02|
Sep 19, 2003 12:43 PM
|You won't shoot it too many times. It packs quite a wallop.|
|Airlite is good||53T|
Sep 19, 2003 6:02 PM
|I like the Airlite in .357. Ron can use light .38 specials in it to keep from injuring his wrist and arm since that gun will bite back if loaded with real .357s.
We traditionally recommend revolvers for novices since they are more reliable in the hands of a novice than an s-auto.
I also reccomend a short book called "In the Gravest Extreem" for Ron. I forget the author's name, but you know how to use the internet. It deals with the subject of deadly force and the mental challenges one must overcome before, during and after a shooting incident.
|The ultimate self-defense weapon||Softrider|
Sep 19, 2003 12:10 PM
|Why worry about whether your wimpy little handgun is going to be effective.
With this baby you will know that whoever is on the receiving end is going to have a bad day.
The 50 Cal. BMG
|Good luck on gettin' that baby in your shorts........||rwbadley|
Sep 19, 2003 12:28 PM
|Is that BMG in your pocket? or are you just happy to see me...
What does BMG stand for anyway? Big Motherf'n Gun?
|Good luck on gettin' that baby in your shorts........||Softrider|
Sep 19, 2003 1:40 PM
|I was thinking more of mounting it on the handlebars.
It stands for Browning Machine Gun, but Big Motherf'n Gun is more that appropriate.
|get two of them, they can double as aero bars (nm)||empacher6seat|
Sep 20, 2003 3:39 PM
|Something that won't go through two walls and a neighbor||cory|
Sep 19, 2003 12:31 PM
|One problem with many of the weapons people have mentioned is that when you miss, which you will with those 2-inch barrels, the bullet's going to go next door and hit your neighbor's 4-year-old between the eyes. I don't think I NEED a weapon for self defense, but since I have some guns and no kids in the house, I keep a .22 pistol in the nightstand. First two rounds are shot shells, filled with tiny little shot that will sting, but probably not do much harm. If anybody charges through that, the rest are standard long rifles. It's not ideal--if I every really have to face a determined assailant on PCP, I'm probably screwed. But the chance of that is pretty remote. I'm more likely to have to scare somebody away, and I really don't want to gun down the guy next door.|
|Great idea Cory...once again the voice of reason! ....nm||rwbadley|
Sep 19, 2003 1:55 PM
|Walther PPK or Bersa .380(Argentinian version of PPK)||MXL02|
Sep 19, 2003 12:41 PM
|Semi-auto double action, small and light. Use prefragmented hollow points so the round won't travel through drywall etc. Keep in a fanny pack while riding.