|Al Franken||Bill B|
Sep 14, 2003 5:06 PM
|I just finished his book, he does not care for Bill O'Rielly or Ann Coulter much.|
|he used to be funny nm||DougSloan|
Sep 15, 2003 6:11 AM
|Agree. It kinda annoys me that||OldEdScott|
Sep 15, 2003 6:31 AM
|AF is putting himself forward as the big liberal gun to answer the right wing commentariat, when he's (a) not that politically astute, and (b) simply isn't funny about it, which I sort of detect he's trying to be. I see him on TV and just cringe. THIS is the best we can do?
All in all, I doubt I'll be citing AF as a souce for any penetrating quotes or arguments.
|shame when comedians do this||DougSloan|
Sep 15, 2003 7:05 AM
|It seems that about half of good comedians go this route. They first are funny. Great. They might get political, but like Bob Hope and Johnny Carson, they tend to attack everyone or all sorts of issues. The ones that seem to spoil it for themselves are those who then align with one side of an issue, and it becomes apparent that they are no longer really trying to be funny, but instead are engaging in political persuasion, and comedy is the mere medium for doing so.
I love George Carlin, one of the greatest cynics of all time. He started to go this route, but then seemed to back off and go after everyone equally. Franken has totally blown it. Dennis Miller probably has, too, but at least he's on my side. ;-) Ellen DeGeneres blew it; her cause became her message that all but obscured the humor. She used to be really funny, too. I think she'll make a come back, though.
|Mort Sahl, Lenny Bruce ...||OldEdScott|
Sep 15, 2003 7:33 AM
|When comedians become strictly partisan they inevitably become MUCH less funny, or even un-funny. Comedy should have no sacred cows. Equal opportunity zingers.
Matter of fact, that's my problem with just everyday folks on the Way Left (or the Way Right): They rarely seem to see the humor of their own side. There's plenty to skewer on both sides.
|what about Bill Hicks?||MJ|
Sep 15, 2003 7:50 AM
|BH is a good example where the comedian was definitely aligned and was still pant wettingly funny|
|Was Franken EVER "funny" ?||filtersweep|
Sep 15, 2003 7:47 AM
|I read some book he wrote about his personal life, and he seems to have that stereotypic "bitterness about life" that many comedians have- and a self-deprecating "damaged goods" syndrome... in short, his material has always been sour and bitter.
I'd almost argue that "comedians" of Franken's ilk more or less occupy the historic role of "wry humorist/satirist" of the days of yore... when they were written in the forms of satirical essays (like Swift or Twain). Of course few today approach that level or reach the timeless quality of the greats- and Frankens work is largely disposible as well.
The funniest part to his schtick is that such a lightweight as himself can actually have a best-seller and can befuddle a giant such as Fox to the extent that he did!
|good point; maybe "amusing"; now, just obnoxious nm||DougSloan|
Sep 15, 2003 7:54 AM
|Was Franken EVER "funny" ?||BikeViking|
Sep 15, 2003 8:14 AM
|I used to love his Stuart Smally bits on SNL...
"Although no a licensed therapist he is the graduate of many 12-step programs"
Sep 15, 2003 8:21 AM
|It IS the best the Dems can do!
|Well, s!it, I'm funnier than Franken! Send me in, coach! nm||OldEdScott|
Sep 15, 2003 8:37 AM
|Oh, you meant humor!||moneyman|
Sep 15, 2003 8:44 AM
|I was talking about leadership and insight. Yourself excluded, of course.
|Neocon Rule 1: Clinton jokes funny, W. jokes disrespectful (nm)||cory|
Sep 15, 2003 8:20 AM
|hummers are funnier than Hummers nm||DougSloan|
Sep 15, 2003 8:23 AM
|Wow, Doug. High wit! Congrats! nm||OldEdScott|
Sep 15, 2003 8:38 AM
|Bill Mahr is as funny as funny gets and is bias"nm"||CARBON110|
Sep 15, 2003 7:41 PM
|Jon Stewart and The Daily Show....||Tri_Rich|
Sep 16, 2003 7:23 AM
|and I miss Politically Incorrect|
|Wrong... W. jokes TREASON. nm||OldEdScott|
Sep 16, 2003 7:52 AM