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Hey, Ed: Bourbon recommendation for a beer drinker?(39 posts)

Hey, Ed: Bourbon recommendation for a beer drinker?cory
Sep 11, 2003 8:05 PM
I'm an occasional beerdrinker, with now and then a belt of single malt. As winter approaches, though, it dawns on me that I've reached the age where a man really ought to enjoy a little whiskey while he reads by the fire. But I know less about bourbon than a hog knows about sidesaddles. Help a guy out here...
I ain't Ed, but try some Knob Creekmickey-mac
Sep 12, 2003 5:16 AM
It's not cheap, but it's worth the dough:
I ain't Ed, but try some Knob CreekMJ
Sep 12, 2003 5:51 AM
ok - what's the difference between bourbon and whiskey?
Whisky (or whiskey) v. Bourbonsacheson
Sep 12, 2003 6:37 AM
Knob Creek is good ...sacheson
Sep 12, 2003 6:57 AM
... but I think Basil Hayden's is more smooth. And Bookers, a Jim Beam product (I think) is pretty smooth as well. Maker's Mark is ok, and a little less expensive than Knob, Bookers or Basil.

You can't go wrong with Knob Creek, though.

Don't know how other's here drink their whiskeys, but I prefer an ounce neat with a tablespoon of really cold, distilled water in it.

On a side, about 12 years ago I was bartending for some extra dough. One night this pretty old guy came in and ordered a John Daniel's on the rocks.

I said, "sir, isn't that Jack Daniels?"

He replied, "son, when you've known him as long as I have, you can call him pretty much anything you want."

I thought that was one of the funniest things I'd heard.
Makers MarkAlpedhuez55
Sep 12, 2003 7:18 AM
I would suggest Makers Mark. You cannot go wrong with that!!! Just look for the bottle with the Red Wax!!!
Mark would be my suggestion too.OldEdScott
Sep 12, 2003 7:28 AM
Although I wonder if it's available in Nevada? It's a small distillery, and their distribution is spotty. It's moderately priced.

Best inexpensive bourbon: I'd say Jim Beam. Want to spend more money than is reasonable? Hmmmm. Maybe Woodford Reserve. Knob Creek IS good.

I pretty much stick with Beam, and Maker's Mark for special occasions.
Here's a few more...rwbadley
Sep 12, 2003 7:46 AM
Available around here Cory. Ancient Age has one called Ancient Ancient Age. Reasonable price and pretty good.

Wild Turkey has a high line called Rare Breed. It's not bad, but I would go for the Kentucky Spirit, as I think it's a little smoother.

Jim Beam has a rye that's pretty good. I like one called Old Overholt a little better. Another rye is Van Winkle 13yo. I think it's about $30-35 at Ben's. If they still have it.

Elijah Craig is excellent value and really tasty.

The finest I've ever tasted is called A.H. Hirsch. It's a (gasp) Pennsylvania Whisky out of Michter's using some rye. Distilled in '74 and held in stocks by a Lawrenceburg whisky man. I think it is really hard to find now, but I've never tasted better. If you happen to see it anywhere (either the 20 or the 16yo) just get a bottle, you won't regret it. Make sure it's the old bottle, vintage 1974. Yumm
you forgot ...sacheson
Sep 12, 2003 8:28 AM
... Bourbon de Luxe, Bourbon Club, and Early Times. Remember - plastic screw top is the way to go.

(did a search on Hirsch and found this link).
Early Times! Yes! Dr Tom More in Love in the RuinsOldEdScott
Sep 12, 2003 8:33 AM
'sipped' Early Times from dawn till dusk, watching the swallows come home. (I highly recommend that book and any of Walker Percy's books to your attention).

After I read it, I switched to Early Times fot a couple of years. A wonderful cheap Bourbon, with nice literary connotations.
Those aren't them!rwbadley
Sep 12, 2003 9:31 AM
That's a new version they just came out with. NOT the same. It may be OK stuff. But it is nohow the same. Here's a picture of the 'Real Deal'

BTW, Cory I swung by Ben's on Lakeside. Two you might check out are Wild Turkey Private reserve 10yo at $25 and the 13yo Van Winkle rye at $34. Also the Old Overholt @ $15. After that it starts to get pricey.
yes, Hirsch is the best I've triedgtx
Sep 12, 2003 9:41 AM
Makers Mark is for yuppies. But the best bang for the buck BY FAR is Evan Williams--it's cheaper than Jim Beam and quite a bit better IMO. My girlfriend won't let me drink it anymore, though, after someone told her it has formaldehyde. Real men drink Wild Turkey.
What in the HAIL kinda pansy bottle of Bourbon isOldEdScott
Sep 12, 2003 9:42 AM
THIS? Looks like a damn wine bottle. Something panty waste Yuppies would drink out of.
what do you think of Evan Williams?gtx
Sep 12, 2003 9:44 AM
and any truth to this formaldehyde thing?
Evan Williams is perfectly fine. About on a parOldEdScott
Sep 12, 2003 9:49 AM
with Beam. I'm always happy to be handed a glass of EW.

Don't tell your wife, but almost all (I think INDEED all, but I can't know for absolute sure so I'll qualify it) has a little formaldehyde in it. Byproduct of the process of making it. Some has more than others. Usually it's the cheaper stuff. One of the reason cheaper whiskey is more likely to give you a hangover.
that's what I was thinkinggtx
Sep 12, 2003 9:52 AM
is it the same thing with scotch? I mostly drink J & B.
Correction! I skipped a step.OldEdScott
Sep 12, 2003 9:58 AM
It's COGENERS that Bourbon has a goodly amount of, and cheap Bourbons a goodlier amount of. Cogeners are eventually converted into formaldehyde in the body, and (in part) cause hangovers.

As I understand it, clearer boozes have fewer cogeners than darker boozes. Scotch is lighter and clearer than Bourbon, so I assume the major unpleasant effect of Scotch would be when you actually put it in your mouth.
Sep 12, 2003 10:09 AM
so I take it you don't like scotch? how about tequila?
Venga, venga, venga!OldEdScott
Sep 12, 2003 10:11 AM
On certain, rare nights, mind you. Tequila-drinking is a brutal, health-ripping ordeal.
what do you mean?gtx
Sep 12, 2003 10:40 AM
it's cactus juice. It's healthy. Loads of vitamins.
If you're gonna do Tequila...rwbadley
Sep 12, 2003 10:31 AM
You might just as well do Mezcal. There are some Mezcals that come out by burros from so far in the high mountains (8,000ft) on these little dinky trails. They are very unique and delicious.

A good Tequila is El Tesoro Reposado. Patron Silver is mighty fine also.

Whatta you got against Scotch Ed? Taste too much like bile for ya? ;-)
Doesn't taste like ANYTHING! Iodine, maybe.OldEdScott
Sep 12, 2003 10:37 AM
Listerine. It's just booze. It has no ... caress. Bourbon soothes you as it tells you seven years worth of stories. Scotch, you know, you drink it and get drunk and your mouth tastes like mouthwash for hours.

I realize there are those who will disagree. Unlike politics, though, there is no right and wrong in this debate.
Unlike politics...hahahha that's a good one....rwbadley
Sep 12, 2003 10:43 AM
The iodine is part of the charm!

Me?...I'll drink just about anything as long as it's good.

Someone once asked me what my favorite was. I just said "the one in my hand"
yes, but...gtx
Sep 12, 2003 10:45 AM
bourbon is ultimately just a bit too sweet for my tastes. Yes, there is a medicinal quality to Scotch, but I kind of like that.
what kind of scotch did you drink?ColnagoFE
Sep 12, 2003 10:46 AM
there are a number of bolder tasting scotches out there. some where you can taste the peat smoke as you drink it.
I strongly objectgtx
Sep 12, 2003 10:50 AM
to any Scotch aged in Sherry barrels--at least any where the Sherry is intended to contribute to the taste or color. Probably not what you were referencing but I wanted to state my objection anyway.
Doesn't taste like ANYTHING! Iodine, maybe.BikeViking
Sep 12, 2003 12:01 PM
I absolutely LOVE Laphroaig, but it does smell like a disinfectant with a quick whiff. It is certainly a love/hate type of relationship. I don't know anyone who is ambivalent about this "character-filled" single-malt.

BTW, Jim Beam is pretty good, but Jack Daniels has a bit too much of an alcohol bite for my tastes.

I've only had Mezcal oncegtx
Sep 12, 2003 10:43 AM
and I don't remember anything about it.
I had Mescaline. Does that count? nmOldEdScott
Sep 12, 2003 10:44 AM
only if you sucked it out of ...rwbadley
Sep 12, 2003 10:46 AM
a peyote buttons @ss
That's common, you'll get over it!.....nmrwbadley
Sep 12, 2003 10:44 AM
Normally, I'd let an OIdEdScott jab slide ...sacheson
Sep 12, 2003 11:34 AM
... since I mostly agree with him. ;-) But damn your eyes for knocking the Scottish Single Malt! That stuff is heaven ... correction - can be heaven.
toxic congenerics=hangover ;( (nm)ColnagoFE
Sep 12, 2003 1:12 PM
What in the HAIL kinda pansy bottle of Bourbon isrwbadley
Sep 12, 2003 10:08 AM

Ed, it's the real deal no matter the bottle.

I wish we could sip a few, it'd open yer eyes. I think it's only 96 proof, but each one o' them little suckers is worth every penny.

You're right about the cogeners. I never paid 'em no mind tho.
Gentleman Jack. . . and a fire. nm. nm. nm.Mike P
Sep 12, 2003 10:06 AM
GACK!........I'll go along with the fire tho..........nmrwbadley
Sep 12, 2003 10:10 AM
Jack is not a bourbon, its a ....ClydeTri
Sep 12, 2003 11:57 AM
its a whiskey, Tennessee whiskey to be exact.
With sugar added.rwbadley
Sep 12, 2003 12:26 PM
I prefer a good cognac over whisky or bourbonStarliner
Sep 12, 2003 12:22 PM
I love the fragrances that come out of the glass, and then the silky warmth you get when you take a sip, an inside-out sort of warm feeling which feels great when its cold and snowy outside. Sometimes a good port will do, too, but you can't beat a good cognac.