|Enough Bush bashing. Let's hear of the good work he's done||128|
Sep 10, 2003 7:13 AM
|from you staunch supporters. Really. I respectfully inquire of any self-professed Bush and Bush administration suppporters (or anyone else for that matter) to list what you believe to be good, sound, reasonable acts this admin has done in furtherance of their civic duty. (maybe I've missed your thoughts- but for tax 'reductions'- in the shuffle.) Free of censure and reproach (yeah, sure). Feel free to re-cast the question qualifiers if they're biased iyo.
We've seen MJ's (I think) resume below of the alleged bad stuff. But is there not just as strong a list of the good stuff?
It's been almost a full term now, so how has the president and his mates 'done good' in your opinion?
I am not a supporter of these clowns but here is my list:
I think the aggressive response (bombing the training camps in AFGNSTN) after the Saudi citizens knocked over the Towers was good. (not the subsequest diplomacy or war though - I would have followed up the bombing much differently)
I think discussing the tax structure was a fair call. (not the result though)
|he helped lead the way to update voting machines...nm||mohair_chair|
Sep 10, 2003 7:15 AM
|i'm drawing a blank (nm)||ColnagoFE|
Sep 10, 2003 7:28 AM
|Stopped the deadly spread of clean air and water, reversed...||cory|
Sep 10, 2003 7:54 AM
|...the slowing of the decline in protection of wetlands, got Halliburton stock back on the rise, arrested the shocking spread of personal liberties. His economic policies have given a lot of well-qualified former employees a chance to stay home and catch up on their soap opera viewing, and his courageous stand on Medicare, health insurance and Social Security will give most of the baby boom generation unanticipated motivation to stay active as WalMart greeters and McDonalds' cashiers well into their golden years.
As for the tax plan...you'll be paying for that the rest of your life. Write this down somewhere and check it in 2020.
Sep 10, 2003 8:31 AM
|even though Dubya is lacking when delivering speeches etc. he seems to make significant impact on people in private meetings
in some ways it's good that he seems to be like the "average guy" (IMO I don't want an average guy leading my country - I want somebody smarter than me)
I like that he stepped up to the plate on Israel with the road map - too bad it looks like his roadmap is doing poorly (bad result for all involved)
BTW - while I agree with alot of the points on that list I have to acknowledge it was a cut and paste job
|re: Well my stock is doing better..||jrm|
Sep 10, 2003 9:44 AM
|But doing so due to some 50K being lost to oversee labor markets.
We have heighted security. But its promoted via fear, and at the expense of our civil liberties.
|what stocks do you have that are doing better?||ColnagoFE|
Sep 10, 2003 10:13 AM
|all mine are in the toilet.|
|Time for a new broker||TJeanloz|
Sep 10, 2003 10:37 AM
|Mine, that aren't actually mine, are up about 20% so far this year. Granted, down since early 2000, but my 5 year annualized return is positive...|
|Discounting today, the averages are ...||Live Steam|
Sep 10, 2003 12:05 PM
|zooming right along. I found it was a good opportunity to pick up stocks that were beaten down. Tech stocks are recovering nicely. There will be more bumps in the road, but overall I think we are in recovery. We had a double and maybe even a triple bottom but have risen steadily since April. I know I shouldn't talk about finances :O) My portfolio hasn't suffered from my lack of fiscal savvy though!|
|lets say at least rebounding..||jrm|
Sep 12, 2003 12:28 PM
|mostly blue chip stuff, GE, MS, HP and Motorola|
|He's brought back laughter back to America.||MR_GRUMPY|
Sep 10, 2003 11:22 AM
|He has also made the phrase " What A F%$#ing idiot" very popular all over the world.|
|we may never know||DougSloan|
Sep 10, 2003 12:33 PM
|What if Roosevelt had stopped Hitler around 1936? Short term, he'd have been demonized as aggressive, but then the world would never have known the horrors he averted. The scale may be smaller now, but we may never know the horrors that aggressively fighting terrorists and Saddam may have avoided. There is no way he can take credit for preventing what might have been. He'll never be appreciated for it, because it is unproveable. Nonetheless, if there is One Thing a President should do while in office, that is to do his best to defend our country. That one thing, even if all else is a miserable failure, is so important to our lives, our economy, our security, and our freedom, that it alone justifies his term in office. Even if he possibly over did it or pushed the limits of candor to get it done, I still stand behind his authority and obligation to do it.
He had set about to repair the economy when all this came up. He obviously got sidetracked, and I think understandably so. It's happened to other presidents, too.
I can't think of many things ANY presidents have really done that were worthwhile. Presidents rarely can act alone, and sometimes they try to get things done, but are blocked through Senate actions or inaction, etc. I can't think of a single worthwhile thing Clinton did, but then he did not have both house and senate with him (thank goodness). He tried to radically change health care, but wasn't able to. Other than a few isolated bombings and then defending his personal attrocities, there was nothing notable about his presidency.
(starting here with my lifetime) Kennedy pushed the space program, stood up to the commies, and pushed civil rights. In his short term, he got some things done or at least got them started. Johnson continued that, but also got us into the most horrific war in our history. Nixon opened relations with China; Ford, Carter, big nothings. Reagan changed lots in the tax code and ultimately rid the world of the Cold War. That's no small feat. Bush bombed Saddam.
Don't forget there is still time to go, too.
|We know he has successfully defended us from tigers!||czardonic|
Sep 10, 2003 1:07 PM
|Seen any tigers prowling around your neighborhood since Bush took office? I'll wager you haven't.
Bush will continue to be blamed for his eletist, plutocratic, corporate cronyism, his petty, punitive, divisive partisanship and his disasterously embarrasing foreign policy failures. But it is easy to take shots at the President when you know for certain that you don't have to worry a neck snapping, jugular slashing spectre of striped menace stalking you. There is no justice in this world.
|sorry, I'm clueless on that one; however, speaking of Africa||DougSloan|
Sep 10, 2003 1:43 PM
|What about the funding of aids research and prevention for Africa? Isn't that at least one good thing, or are we so partisan and cynical that it can't be acknowldged without a retort of "yes, but he should have done more..."?
|Tigers don't come from Africa. . .||czardonic|
Sep 10, 2003 2:00 PM
|. . .but the funding that Bush has pledged is one good thing that he has done.
Obligatory retort: funny how the one good thing he has done represents a complete departure from his standard ideology and priorities.
|really? Just India/Asia?||DougSloan|
Sep 10, 2003 2:03 PM
|Only used that as a segway, anyway. ;-)
Any speculation as to the departure in this instance?
Sep 10, 2003 2:25 PM
The African AIDS crisis is a lobbying point for humanitarians and Christians (not that one can't be both) from both sides of the isle. As a politician, Bush has an interest in responding to these lobbies.
But it would be unfair to assume that Bush isn't simply motivated by his own desire to contribute to the situation. I think that at heart, Bush is a decent fellow who cares about people of all walks of life. My problem is with the frequency that his allegiances to other wealthy, well-connected types clouds his good intentions.
|devil in the details.||dr hoo|
Sep 10, 2003 3:16 PM
|The africa HIV money looks good on the surface.
But much of the money was PULLED from existing, multi-national programs to be used in this new program. So, it can be seen as another unilateral move by the administration. Breaking previous agreements. And not using PROVEN and EFFECTIVE programs is inexcusable.
Also, the program focuses on mother-child transmission and health care, but is VERY weak on prevention. The condom thing. The far right is very condomphobic.
Also, AIDS medications advances mean high profits for pharmaceutical companies. Bush supports the research that turns into profit for big business. Wow, film at 11!
I see the africa aids program as a bit of major league butt covering. But it will accomplish some good things.
|the right sees condoms like the left sees guns||rufus|
Sep 11, 2003 6:26 AM
|if you have one in your hand, you're damn well gonna use it.|
Sep 11, 2003 6:45 AM
|*both provide some degree of protection
*don't pull either out, unless you intend to use it
*neither are 100% effective
*both are somewhat protected by the Constitution, if you think about it