Sep 2, 2003 8:07 PM
|I was just summoned for jury duty. Must appear on the 22nd. Any tips on how to get out of it?|
|re: Jury Duty||mickey-mac|
Sep 2, 2003 8:43 PM
|Where are you? If you're in California, you're going to have a hard time getting out of it. Even judges are being required to appear for jury duty now. Usually, you'll be excused only for illness, extreme financial hardship, or care of others.
The good news is that most counties have a one day/one trial rule. If you're not on a jury by the end of the day, you're free to go for another year. The court system has really gotten more aggressive in recent years about ensuring that everyone serves.
|re: Jury Duty||spankdoggie|
Sep 2, 2003 9:10 PM
|It is your duty. Do it. I get called once a year, sometimes more, but the law says I only have to go once a year.
They really make it quite easy on you. You may not even have to appear. If you are in San Francisco, the judges won't let you go.
As a little side note, an article in the Chronicle here a while back mentioned that there is no enforcement of people who do not show up for jury duty; none.
Sep 3, 2003 6:59 AM
|I got called for the first and only time about 14 years ago. On the day when we all showed up, one man was absent for the roll call. The judge told the bailiff to have the sheriff send out a deputy to bring the guy in. Twenty minutes later, the guy shows up looking like the deputy had dragged him out of bed. The judge told him "you will show up on time from now on." The man answered "Yes, your honor." End of story.
I served. Found it fascinating and rewarding.
|re: Jury Duty||rwbadley|
Sep 2, 2003 10:55 PM
|I sat on a federal trial once. It was most interesting. Amazing discovery... when twelve peers are assembled, eight of them will not be able to reason their way out of a paper bag.
Tips to get out of it?
Chant "Kill, Kill, Kill"
Show up with week old B.O.
Suffer repeated attacks of hacking up a lung.
Tell them 'the voices' told you (s)he's guilty.
Ask to go to the restroom, then don't come back.
Two words: Tourettes syndrome (uncontrollable shouting of curse words)
Or you could just appear and serve if chosen. Get a firsthand look at our justice system, if you are so inclined.
|re: Jury Duty||ClydeTri|
Sep 3, 2003 4:40 AM
|Go buy a teeshirt that features the rebel flag on it..and wear a redneck ballcap....|
|re: Jury Duty||Fender|
Sep 3, 2003 7:00 AM
|Unfortunetaly I am in California, San Francisco to be specific. I'm thinking that financial hardship might be the way I can get myself out of this. Not sure how much my employeer will pay me or even if they will pay me, but I have no interest in being a juror.
I like the ideas presented, might even try a couple of them, expect for wearing a rebel t-shirt and redneck hat. I don't think that Mexicans are allowed to wear such items.
|wear a Mecha shirt||mohair_chair|
Sep 3, 2003 7:17 AM
|Get out of it? Why? I wish I could serve on a jury for a few days. I think it would be very interesting, if I could stay awake.|
|If you are a citizan it is your Duty, PERIOD.||HAL9010|
Sep 3, 2003 7:58 AM
|Do you Vote, use the roads, get the protection of our Armed Forces and Police etc...
You owe it to yourself, your family and the rest of the citizenry.
The odds are in your favor (but not assured) that you will serve just one day. Even if you do get selected for a trial, most last three days or less. The Court, Jury Services will be more than happy to call your employer to determine Jury pay. And I'll bet your employer will "improve" their policy on contact from the court.
Yes it can be briefly inconvient. Too bad, life is inconvient. You live in this comminity, participate in it. Or go to another country.
Yes I sound harsh but Jury Duty is SO MINOR of a calling. It always amazes me the rational people come up with to get out of it. People expend more effort and time getting out of it than it realy takes to just do it.
So as you Mother would say: "Just go finish makeing your bed!"
It is a Duty AND an Honor. Go serve.
|Try wearing one of these||Alpedhuez55|
Sep 3, 2003 8:03 AM
|I have Jury Duty on the 16th. Between just starting a new job and my father having Cancer Surgery this week, the timing could not be worse. I really cannot afford to be put on a long trial.
I guess you can always wear one of these T-shirts. It should get you off of the panel quickly:
|Not the place to mention "civic duty," I guess, huh?||cory|
Sep 3, 2003 8:12 AM
|Don't be a pr!ck, just go do it. And while you're down there, see if you can find a place to register to vote. Pull your weight, for once.
Oh, I'm sorry--did I get off on a rant?
|Not the place to mention "civic duty," I guess, huh?||Fender|
Sep 3, 2003 8:41 AM
|actually I do pull my weight. I pay my fair share of taxes, contribute to society in a productive manner and obey most laws (i.e. I do run stop signs and traffic lights on occasions while on the bike).
But to be honest, do I really care to be in a stuffy, crowded court room, listening to lawyers put on a theatrical preformance only to give a verdict on an case in which both sides manipulated their stories only to walk away victorious??
BTW - I am registered to vote (as an independent) and will be doing so in CA's recall. GO ARIANNA!!!
|Re: civic duty...||HAL9010|
Sep 3, 2003 9:13 AM
|Yea, adult responsabilities are a heavy burden.
Paying taxes are the least of your responsabilities. Don't be a worm.
As a juror you will have plenty of body space in the juror box. The court room will not be crowded as far as you are concerned. It is in the interest of the court to see that jourors are comfortable and alert. It will not be like a sceen from 'To kill a Mockikngbird'. You have no idea what a real trial is like only your impression from Perry Mason and Law & Order. You'll be suprised at how sober and professional the attornies(sp?) will be, the judge will see to that.
So you have registered, do you vote at all? (That is one of the places the courts get your name the other is your driver's Lic.) It's so inconvient, I might be late for work, I can't get off work early enough, I don't like any of the candidates, haven't read the sample ballot...
So you don't think much of lawyers. Perhaps the mental challange is too great for you. Pushing youeself on a bike is one thing, and easy. A Jury is there to sort out the "Manipulation". Try pushing your self mentaly. Get out of your comfort zone once and a while.
Try stopping at all stop signs and lights. It's good for you and when car drivers do see you stopping they wont think that all cyclists are scofflaws.
So go be a true Independant an revel in partisapation in this great socity we have here.
Be part of the solution!
|god help you if you ever need a jury of your peers (nm)||ColnagoFE|
Sep 3, 2003 9:43 AM
|Who? Me or Fender? (nm)||HAL9010|
Sep 3, 2003 11:25 AM
Sep 3, 2003 12:29 PM
|i mean almost nobody WANTS to go to jury duty. it's just something we should all do if called without complaining or trying to weasel out in my opinion. what i meant was that someday he might need an impartial jury (most of who don't want to be there) to judge his case.|
Sep 3, 2003 12:56 PM
|regardless of the case, abestos, rape, traffic violation, etc... I should, without complaing, attend jury duty. Say trail goes on for 1, 2 or more months and I lose my job, get evicted from my apartment and have to sell all my stuff, because I was doing my civic duty of jury duty.
I will be attending, but I am concerned about having to serve on a 1 or 2 week trial (if not longer) and not earn money because I'm missing work. And along the same lines, I do not plan on taking PTO for this since I have vacation plans and need every possible day I can get, thus my initial post of how can I get out of it and not why I should/should not serve as a civic duty.
Sep 3, 2003 2:25 PM
|So what leads you to think that you will be involved in a 1 to 2 or more Mo. long case? Jury Services screen all reporting jourers(sp? that just doesn't look right and I'm too lazy right now to look it up) as to what their previously made plans, appointments and commitments are.
You are not going to lose your job and so forth due to Jury Duty. It aint gonna happen...What if I get a paper cut and have to have my whole arm amputated, what if the world ends tomorrow? Come on get a grip, Jury Duty is not the square needle in the left nut you seem to be making it out to be.
Have you even notified your employer much less asked what your Co. Jury Duty policy is? I hope your boss/employer doesn't have the same weasel out of it attitude.
Most employers are quite accomadating of JD. Now you are not a slacker on the job are you? So if you are a good to fair employee why are you worried about being punnished by doing your civic duty thet even your employer is subject to.
Just listen to what is said to the assembled throng on your reporting date and you'll find that the court(s) have no intention of making JD an onerous task. You will be told of the typical civil trial length (IF you are even picked) which in CA tends to be 3 to 5 days and a lot of other stuff you probably didn't know. You will learn something if you pay just a little bit of attention. And probably meet some interesting people who are in the same room for the asme reason you are IF you bother to step outside of your self and say hello to a stranger.
Turn lemmons into lemon-aid.
BTW I am not some old geaser who just lives for JD.
|Isn't it illegal to get fired for having jury duty? (nm)||ColnagoFE|
Sep 3, 2003 2:46 PM
|Re:..illegal to get fired for...jury duty?...||HAL9010|
Sep 3, 2003 4:29 PM
|Most likely in most jurisdictions there are statutes that apply if not to the letter then in effect or in spirit...
(I'm not an Attorney but play one in my own mind)
Enforcement is a bit of another matter such as the reservists who were let go after prolonged service during Gulf War 1. Employers wiggled out based on slim interp of obscure Fed statutes for relief(but then paid a high price on the bad publicity).
Any employer with half a brain and an ounce of decency would not want to tangle with a County Superior Court over such a matter.
Doug, when are you going to chime in on this?
Fender, Just go, learn and be a better person for it.
P.S. Ya gotta stop at stop signs and lights. If you do it on your bike you do it in your car. It's just too Darn easy to do. The Automobile lazyness factor.
Did I tell you about all the parents I constantly see running stops and parking in the red on the way to and from my kid's school...
Rant Rant Rant Rant Rant!!!!
Sep 3, 2003 9:03 PM
|The odds are probably 95% you won't even serve.
They are pretty good at filtering out the jackasses.
If it is a one month trial, just tell them you can't do that, and they will send you back to the "pool" to be called for a shorter one.
You will like the experience. Trust me.
In San Francisco, the odds of getting called are very high. The judge gave the odds the last time I served. If you stay here you will get called almost every year. Just go do it, so you don't spend the rest of your life in San Francisco running like a freaking girl.
My wife got called a couple of months ago, and she never even had to show up at all. She got dismissed over the phone. Some of these cases are pretty cool, and you will go home sad that you were not picked.
Just go. Be a man.
|Thanks, that's what I thought...(nm)||HAL9010|
Sep 3, 2003 2:27 PM
Sep 6, 2003 8:01 PM
|Just do what I did. Wear a Rush Limbaugh "Charter Member Of The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" shirt. Worked for me twice.|
|re: Jury Duty||flying|
Sep 6, 2003 9:08 PM
|I just return the summons with a note saying due to religious belief I cannot attend. That has always worked for me. |
The actual reason I don't go is
1) I am not the peer of someone I never met.
2) I do not want to try & sort out which lawyer tells a better lie.
3) The judge & the lawyer get paid how much? & You want to pay me how much?
Sep 9, 2003 7:26 AM
|You and your ilk will have to take over this country by force, or the rest of will evict you. I'm ready, are you?|| |