RoadBikeReview.com's Forum Archives - Non-Cycling Discussions


Archive Home >> Non-Cycling Discussions(1 2 3 4 )


Ho, ho.(39 posts)

Ho, ho.OldEdScott
Aug 28, 2003 8:26 AM
Things may get a little livelier in the presidential race here shortly.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/28/politics/28CLAR.html?hp

I keep having this stubborn dream about a Dean-Clark ticket. Or is that Clark-Dean?
Ho, ho, homohair_chair
Aug 28, 2003 8:43 AM
Didn't Dean Cain play Clark Kent in "Lois and Clark?" That's what pops into my head when I hear Dean-Clark.

Either that or some fictional midwest tractor manufacturer. Dean-Clark, feeding the world, one thresher at a time. We don't grow the wheat, we make it better, by hacking it down.

Now Superman-Lois Lane, there's a ticket. It's morning again in America.
Jiimy Dean Sausage, James Dean, and Dick Clark (nm)ColnagoFE
Aug 28, 2003 8:46 AM
yeah, I was just coming here to post that link...gtx
Aug 28, 2003 8:50 AM
is this the big secret news you were hinting at earlier?
Clark's interest was no secret.OldEdScott
Aug 28, 2003 9:11 AM
The alliances forming around it are what should prove ... interesting.
Sadly, he might be the best candidate out there...TJeanloz
Aug 28, 2003 9:21 AM
That Wesley Clark might run shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody. That the Democratic field could be so weak might. When the best you've got to offer is Kerry and Dean, (oh, and Sharpton), it's really got nowhere to go but up.

He has a long way to go before getting my vote, but maybe he'll have something intelligent to add to the mix.
come on, Edgtx
Aug 28, 2003 9:51 AM
quit toying with us
If Clark runs, all sorts of possibilities come into play.OldEdScott
Aug 28, 2003 10:19 AM
Especially given the progression of primaries, who's likley to do well early, and who sets up well for the later races in the South. Clark's candidacy may prove fatal to Kerry and Edwards. Lieberman is already sinking like a stone. Gephardt is surprisingly resilient, but I doubt he can cope with TWO major problems -- Dean early and Clark late.

The Dems have two big jobs: Energize the base with a ticket that will move them to put down the bong and go vote. And reassure the center that they have sufficient national security gravitas to deal with the terrorism thing.

Clark, should he prove himself a vote-getter and be so inclined, could form an alliance with an energizing Democrat to form a ticket that will accomplish both. There is vast interest in the party apparatus to align the stars so that happens.
ok, so who are these "energizing Democrats"? nmgtx
Aug 28, 2003 10:38 AM
Anybody creative enough to put "liar" and "Bush" together (nm)TJeanloz
Aug 28, 2003 10:45 AM
That's 51 percent of the population, at least! nmOldEdScott
Aug 28, 2003 10:49 AM
But is it 270 Electoral votes? (nm)TJeanloz
Aug 28, 2003 11:15 AM
Yeah. Clark's HUGE in Tennessee! nmOldEdScott
Aug 28, 2003 11:25 AM
good one ;) nmgtx
Aug 28, 2003 10:55 AM
Now, now. Premature speculation is likeOldEdScott
Aug 28, 2003 10:55 AM
premature ejaculation. Takes the fun out of letting things unfold.

But there's any number of possibilities. Dean's the only energizing Democrat in the race right now. Hillary would certainly energize the base. Al Gore would. There are others. Just imagine a Dumocrat who would turn Steam purple with apoplexy and you get the picture. (Although now that I think about it, I guess they all do).
Al Gore would definitely energize megtx
Aug 28, 2003 10:57 AM
not to vote Dem for the third time in a row
Don't think you're our base.OldEdScott
Aug 28, 2003 11:01 AM
How about Dean or Hillary? Either of them torque your crank to vote Dem, on a ticket with Gen. Clark?
The Dems need to get their far left like the Reps got the far r128
Aug 28, 2003 11:24 AM
Some pundits explain that the Dems are too 'centrist' focused when they've already got the center and center rt locked up and voting. Suggesting that the fear among the Dems to appear too far left is exactly wrong. Appear more left. Lie if they have to. See the Repubs example how they went after the far right and lied to their centrists (education, aids/africa, trade) without fear of Dem reprisal.

Better check in with Ralph though. See if he plans on torpedoeing the gig again....
Actually, I agree with that analysis. nmOldEdScott
Aug 29, 2003 6:19 AM
sure I amgtx
Aug 28, 2003 1:06 PM
I just don't like the death penalty or NAFTA. From what I can tell I'm fine with Hillary and Dean. Clark looks like he might be okay. But Gore is a lame, insincere putz.
Ah. Good. Well, I always thought Al was a little lameOldEdScott
Aug 29, 2003 6:24 AM
myself, especially in the 2000 election, which was the worst-run presidential campaign I've seen in awhile. I think he's less lame now that he's matured a bit and isn't running for anything. His recent speech on Dumbya's shortcomings was right on.

I don't believe he'll jump in to the race this year. But if he did, I think MOST of the base would respond favorably.
If Al jumped ingtx
Aug 29, 2003 8:25 AM
it would screw up the Dems, big time. I'm not interested in whether or not he's matured, whether or not he has a beard, etc.--he's bad news. I'm interested in this Clark guy but I'd like to know more--he sounds like the kind of guy the Dems really need right now. I think Dean will fizzle. I think he's just a slightly more sober and better organized version of Jerry Brown. Kerry is okay but I don't think he could beat Bush. Of course this all depends on the state of the economy and Iraq next November. I'm looking forward to a good election, though.
can't stand hillary, and i'm a lefty. at least steam says so.rufus
Aug 29, 2003 5:46 AM
maybe it's my irrational fear of empowered women ;), but she just strikes me as harsh, cold and shrill, with a healthy dose of that east coast academic elitism and arrogance. kind of a bob dole/george bush the first combo, but on the left, with a bit of al bore policy wonk thrown in. hardcore liberals may love her, but i feel she just really turns the masses off, and is absolutely unelectable for the office of president.
You named them all :O)Live Steam
Aug 29, 2003 11:53 AM
I think if Hillarity smells blood in the water, she will step over everyone for the VP nomination. Even if the ticket loses, this sets her up for top billing in '08. I don't see Al Bore energizing anyone, not even Tipper :O) He is already a distant and unpleasant memory for both dems and republicans. Dean is talking up a good game, but it remains to be see if he can hold his composure in open debates and not come off as a mean spirited bully.
More political genius, Steam. I bow to you.OldEdScott
Aug 29, 2003 2:32 PM
But don't underestimate the depth of affection the party has for the man who, despite a terribly conceived & executed campaign, won the popular vote in 2000. I don't warm to him myself, but it's a fact that he's still a force in the party.
I don't know ...Live Steam
Aug 30, 2003 6:54 AM
I think he is more of a martyr for the dems than someone they would want to see run again. He is a good talking piece than can talk cheap shots at the republicans from the sidelines and get away with it because he's not running - you know bring up old dirt. No one would hold him accountable for it.

I view him kinda' like Jimmy Cotta'. I think dems love Carter, but wouldn't want to see him run for anything again. Again, a talking head that can take pot shots and not suffer any damage because he's not running.

Hey I may be giving you too much info here :O)
Does Republican ticket remain the same for '04 or ...Live Steam
Aug 28, 2003 9:37 AM
does Chaney take a lesser role as a cabinet advisor with Powell stepping to the plate as VP candidate to counter this ticket and to challenge Hillarity in '08?
Odd you should say that.OldEdScott
Aug 28, 2003 9:48 AM
Maybe you're kidding around, but I just five minutes ago asked an operative friend of mine the same question. It's a damn good question.
Ah, but of course it is ;0)Live Steam
Aug 28, 2003 12:40 PM
Not kidding around. This administration has interchangable parts. This move would counter the ticket of Dean/Clark and would set up a big showdown in '08. Who would vote for what - the first black president or first witch president?

Hey maybe there is a future for me in this business :O)
I may put you on my payroll, my man. nmOldEdScott
Aug 28, 2003 4:03 PM
I just happen to have a lot of free time at the moment :O) nmLive Steam
Aug 29, 2003 9:00 AM
I'll let you in on a dark secret, Steam. (No one else read this)OldEdScott
Aug 29, 2003 9:13 AM
Right at the moment, I'd meddling in (gasp) REPUBLICAN politics. I'm trying to recruit a Republican state Senate candidate we can live with to challenge an incumbent Republican we CAN'T live with in next year's primary. It's all very hush hush.

My problem, though, is I DON'T SPEAK REPUBLICAN. I say my normal stuff, and they just look at me like I have three heads. Then they say their stuff, and it's all "Mwah, mwah, mwah." I can't make heads nor tails of it.

I need a translator. Think you could handle it?
Leme see if I understand you correctly ...Live Steam
Aug 29, 2003 11:38 AM
You need someone to think like a neocon/right wing conservative to aid you in subverting the Republican party in Kentucky?
Sounds like a plan!!!!Jon Billheimer
Aug 29, 2003 11:55 AM
Isn't that how the religious wingnuts hijacked the Republican party back in the eighties??:)-
Bloomberg did it here in NYC :O)Live Steam
Aug 29, 2003 12:15 PM
The Republican ticket was wide open - he's nobodies fool and knew the Democratic ticket was spread thin. So he looked to the Republican party who already accepted a moderately liberal candidate in Giuliani. Bloomberg was the lesser of two evils for most conservatives, though he is a liberal in both theory and practice.
Funny thing about ClarkLive Steam
Aug 29, 2003 12:29 PM
He hasn't declared his party affiliation has he? Why are the Dems so sure he will run on their ticket? I can envision another scenario :O) Negociations could be going on behind closed doors as we speak!
Funny thing about ClarkJon Billheimer
Aug 29, 2003 1:04 PM
That won't work!! He's rational! That makes him a liberal doesn't it??:)-
Also...Jon Billheimer
Aug 29, 2003 1:05 PM
...he doesn't need to play Mr. Dressup. He's a REAL soldier.
LOL! Dream on! nmOldEdScott
Aug 29, 2003 2:38 PM