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Think the economy will keep improving after...dr hoo
Aug 14, 2003 12:57 PM
... the events of today? Blackouts in several major cities.

Keeping in mind that large sections of the grid have gone out in the past without terrorism, what will this do to the fetal economic recovery?
additional infodr hoo
Aug 14, 2003 1:09 PM
Started in Canada, started rolling blackouts, no evidence of terrorism at this time.

Is the grid that fragile? Should we be paying more attention to the infrastructure?
Dr. Hoo, to be quite honest, and Doug, get ready to delete thisspankdoggie
Aug 15, 2003 1:47 AM
D Dr. Hoo:

I think you are a big jackass. I don't know where you came from, but I don't like your holier than thou attitude. It doesn't phase me for a second. This is Doug Sloan's house, true, but don't think, Dr. Hoo, that you can come in here with your tiddly-wink philosophical reasonings, and intimidate me, jackass.

Hold me back Doug...

Try me, bastard.
Try me, Dr. Hoo.

Dr. Hoo, you just be glad Doug doesn't allow me to come off of my leash. I would bite you in the ass in polite debate.

Yes. I have removed a white glove off of my hand, Dr. Hoo, and I have slapped you in the face with it.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Dr. Hoo.
And an honest answer...spankdoggie
Aug 15, 2003 1:54 AM
Dr. Hoo, this will screw the economy more than 911. It is going to hit the fan everywhere.

It sucks, but we are living in tough times. If I may be real, Dr. Hoo, I think your posts are very intelligent, and thought out; I just think you need someone who is smart/dumb enough to come out and be willing to challenge you in polite debate.

I can take you on, one on one in polite debate, if you desire, but I will tear you up if you post your pre-doctorate thesis crap against me.

If I may be honest... Dr Hoo, I think you are the freshest thing to come to this forum in a long time. Thanks for posting, Dr. Hoo...
white gloves?dr hoo
Aug 15, 2003 3:52 AM
What kind of nancy boy wears gloves?

/me bows

I don't mind a bit of concentrated vitriol in posts, heck, I like to mix it up a bit. So long as it is not simply rehashed repetitions of 30 second talking head quotes.

I am also not looking to "take on" someone in some sort of stylized anime yojimbo martial dominance/crease smack down. One of the things about language is our use of metaphors which can take power over our interactions. The argument as WAR metaphor is one of those. Destroying arguments, attacking weak points, etc.

I prefer to think of argument as dance. It's more fun that way. I think there are good potential dancers here. Waltz ain't my style though, I prefer Tango..... or at least a wild Polka!

My opinion about this is that Bush's deficit spending is not so bad because it is a defict, but rather because it is deficit spending that is not leading to enough capital improvements. The grid is basic capital. Roads. Bridges. Trains. Harbors. Better to address those collective goods than individual tax cuts. Like Karl Marx, I like to focus on the means of production.

400 billion spent on that goes a long way. And will pay off for years to come.

I came to here from mtbr, I suppose. My road bike is a circa 1988 or so schwinn tempo, 6 speed freewheel and a 50t big ring. Were I to see a fixed gear for sale cheap, i would buy it in an instant. I will throw down for the end of ride sprint points every single time. This rarely happens because, while I weigh the exact same as in high school, I also wrestled heavyweight in the winter.

dr (and the 230 is distibuted differently too) hoo
Cool response...spankdoggie
Aug 15, 2003 6:29 AM
Thank you Dr. Hoo!
You combine wit with intelligence; a rare find these days.

We can do polite battle in another thread someday.
got a little something on your nose thereLeonnard
Aug 15, 2003 10:06 AM
You were cooler before you retreated to kissing Hoo's and Spoiler's buttocks. Now you're just pathetic. Why don't you fall back on one of your other names and start acting like a man. Even a psycho, board disturber gets more respect than a flipflopping worm.
Now go get your shine box.
got a little something on your nose therespankdoggie
Aug 15, 2003 5:23 PM
You are brutal Leonnard.

Now that was a good post.
Thanks Leonnard.
Your problem is you want to shoot the messengerLive Steam
Aug 18, 2003 5:38 AM
Bush has repeatedly said that this countries energy and electric requirements need immediate attention. It's the Dumocrats that keep shooting down the energy bill. You gotta love the Dumocrats though for trying to pin this debacle on Bush, especially after they had their guy in office for eight years and did nothing to address the countries energy needs. At least Bill Richardson tried to clue Clinton in to how archaic our electrical grid actually is. But in the end, he still did nothing about it. After this, Bush will now get the mandate he needs to put his energy bill through, then The Witch will have nothing to be spout off about.
Oh I bet she will. nmOldEdScott
Aug 18, 2003 8:11 AM
I know. What could I possibly have been thinking :O) nmLive Steam
Aug 18, 2003 8:38 AM
no, my problem is with non-capital deficit spendingdr hoo
Aug 18, 2003 1:24 PM
The history of politics in the usa is to do nothing until a crisis, then point fingers and throw money at it. To think ahead and spend prudently is unthinkable.

The current administration has not put investment where I think it should be going. They show a huge deficit, even before they add in the Iraq costs. Now we need more money for the grid, which will come from where? Oh, and the harbors, we need to fix those up. And the schools are crumbling. Ad infinitum.

Solution? Cut taxes, shift the burden to the states, and attempt the insane neo-con strategy of limiting government through the paralysis of HUGE debt.

Yeah, Clinton did nothing about the grid. Neither did Bush Sr. I didn't see anything about it in the "contract with america" either. Your point is? Can't you discuss a single thing without mentioning a Clinton? What is your obsession? It's like a puritan being obsessed with sex.

If you want to dredge up history every thread, start with comparing the number of felony conviction in the Reagan and Clinton administrations. Oh, wait, that has nothing to do with this thread! But at least you will get to talk about Clinton to your heart's content.

BTW, the grid updates in the energy bill have strong bi-partisan support, and always have. The conflict comes on other matters. Will the reactionaries do what is right and break that element out so it is quickly passed, or will they play politics with it to pay back those that bought them?

I know which I would bet on.
addendumdr hoo
Aug 18, 2003 2:57 PM
It seems that there is also bi-partisan opposition to the current bill. Western and south-eastern states (who have reliable power) are opposed to more federal regulation.

I was totally in the dark about the regional aspect of the politics ;)
Take a breath. Having a bad day there Doc?Live Steam
Aug 18, 2003 3:39 PM
I always bring up Clinton when it's appropriate. Did you complain about lack of attention the "gird" was getting during the last eight years? My point was somewhat related to the news of the day. Hillarity was condoning Bush for not giving the "grid" enough attention. Well she should have lambasted her dear hubby on that one. He had eight years of relative peace to work on it. He was Mr. Domesticana wasn't he? He had the most thriving economy of all time to work with. So my reference to Clinton was appropriate in my estimation. The Dumocrats want to use this as a rallying cry and I find it to be Hillarious :O)