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Speaking of excess...(24 posts)

Speaking of excess...Kristin
Aug 6, 2003 5:30 AM
"The Enzo reaches 60 mph in under four seconds on its way to a top speed in excess of 200 mph. Priced at $643,000, the entire run of 399 units have been sold." Wow. That makes the Hummer look like just another Chevy Blazer.
i'll take one in each color, please (nm)JS Haiku Shop
Aug 6, 2003 5:33 AM
I believe it only comes in red, Ferrari Red, specifically (nm)TJeanloz
Aug 6, 2003 6:36 AM
Also available in yellow and black (nm)Fr Ted Crilly
Aug 7, 2003 10:14 AM
Oh my!PaulCL
Aug 6, 2003 6:02 AM
According to a newsreport on CNBC yesterday, the ultra-luxury car market is having a business boom. Ultra-luxury cars are cars over $100,000. The new super Mercedes...the name escapes me...costs over $300,000 and is sold out for the next two years. The Lamborghini ??? at $180,000 is backordered for years. Damn, I wanted one too. Maybe I'll be able to scoop one up on Ebay for a few grand????
Not likely,TJeanloz
Aug 6, 2003 6:40 AM
The market for super-premium cars is distorted by supply. Enzo Ferrari is famous for saying: "if I could sell 500 of a particular model at full price, it is essential that I make no more than 499, so that somebody will always be left with the desire to buy". They make fewer than they could sell, just to keep the price up, which makes their appearance on E-Bay quite rare. I had to wait almost a year to be able to pay more than MSRP for a Maserati - and that isn't nearly in the same class.
Interesting...53T
Aug 6, 2003 12:17 PM
Chick, cyclist, drives Maserati. Single?
LOL - I don't think T's a chick. nmKristin
Aug 6, 2003 1:29 PM
Better luck next time.
That is correct,TJeanloz
Aug 6, 2003 1:50 PM
But my girlfriend drives the car, and she may be single in the near future, so not all hope is lost.
Ooops53T
Aug 6, 2003 4:23 PM
I must have your handle confused with someone else, since you obviously have a handle. Can I call her for a ride if I double flat?
I am shockedStarliner
Aug 6, 2003 9:57 PM
I didn't figure you to be the kind of guy to have a girlfriend who was married... guess racy ladies should drive racy cars.
Um,TJeanloz
Aug 7, 2003 5:02 AM
She's not single on account of me being her boyfriend.
Hummer2 IS just another Chevy Blazer nmPdxMark
Aug 6, 2003 9:19 AM
More of a pretentious GMC Jimmy. (nm)czardonic
Aug 7, 2003 4:49 PM
Its all relativetorquer
Aug 6, 2003 9:49 AM
The $643 grand sticker means this car is roughly 20 times the price of the "average" Camry/F-150/Minivan most people drive.

That's about the same multiple as a C-Record Lightspeed/Colnago/5900 versus what's available at the Sports Authority at the mall. And I don't find that excessive at all.
Would a yellow Fuji on top be considered guady?(NM)jesse1
Aug 6, 2003 11:41 AM
so?DougSloan
Aug 6, 2003 8:03 PM
Excess can be great fun. While this may get as bad of fuel mileage as a Hummer, it's just not nearly as threatening. It's not one of the more elegant Ferrari's, either. I like the performance, but not the styling.

Doug
Hmmmmm. Physics questionKristin
Aug 7, 2003 5:41 AM
You are in the drivers seat of a Toyota Camry stopped at a red light. Which would be worse?

1. To be rear ended by a Hummer2 traveling at 55MPH

2. To be rear ended by an Envo traveling at 145MPH

??
force=speed x mass, right? maybe HH can help nmDougSloan
Aug 7, 2003 6:15 AM
force=speed x mass, right? maybe HH can help nm53T
Aug 7, 2003 4:28 PM
Boy, you must be a lawyer. Force = Mass * Acceleration. Momentum = Velocity (a vector) * Mass.

Either way, the damage inflicted on the Camry occupant can be expressed in terms of either the momentum transfered to the Camry and its occupants, or the force corresponding to the rapid (negative direction) acceleration of the H2/Ferrari.

I would opt for the Ferrari due to a) it has better handling and may be able to swerve to avoid contact, b) it has infinatly better brakes and may be able to slow considerably before impact and c) the owner of the Ferrari has many more assets for my estate to go after.
Other factors.czardonic
Aug 7, 2003 4:53 PM
The H2 is steel. The Enzo is Carbon Fiber.
The H2's engine is in the front. The Enzo's is in the rear.
More Other factors.TJeanloz
Aug 8, 2003 5:09 AM
The Enzo is very low, and will probably slide under the back end of the Camrey, the H2 is very tall and will likely smush the entire Camrey.
the Camry driver probably has better odds than the EnzoDougSloan
Aug 8, 2003 6:35 AM
It all boils down to rate of change in speed/direction, and what intrusion into the passenger compartment takes place. I think you are right. If the Enzo submarines, the back of the Camry is going to be on the Enzo's driver's head. He's gone, unless the car has a helluva "roll cage" structure integrated into the car. On the other hand, the Camry driver has lots of crush space behind him, but then he's going to have a helluva whiplash. My guess it that with a direct impact, no survivors.

The H2 would probably just run over the Camry, the continue down the road with the driver oblivous to what happened as he continues his conversation on the cell phone.

Doug
i bet lances huge legs could get the pedal down faster....rrjc5488
Aug 10, 2003 9:36 PM
take a few fractions of a second off the 0-60. haha JUST KIDDING

now whats its 0-100-0 time? haha