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Is Rumsfeld the great unknown or the idiot known?(13 posts)

Is Rumsfeld the great unknown or the idiot known?african
Aug 6, 2003 5:30 AM
Rumsfeld baffles press with 'unknown unknowns'

The United States Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, has baffled journalists in Brussels by explaining the greatest threat to Western civilisation may lurk in what he has termed "unknown unknowns".

Mr Rumsfeld says he told a meeting of North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) defence ministers that even US intelligence agencies can often only see the tip of the iceberg when looking for terrorist threats.

But this is how he explained it at a media conference.

"There are no knowns," Mr Rumsfeld.

"There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns - that is to say, there are things that we now know we don't know but there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don't know," Mr Rumsfeld said.

"So when we do the best we can and we pull all this information together, and we then say well that's basically what we see as the situation, that is really only the known knowns and the known unknowns.

"And each year we discover a few more of those unknown unknowns."
let me translate...ClydeTri
Aug 6, 2003 5:41 AM
as a person who works in the defense industry, what he is talking about is "intelligence"...there are things that they know they dont know, and things that they dont even anticipate, those are the "unknown unknowns". Also, it is clear that he obviously knows things that he can't tell and is saying that in very roundabout way.
Who knows. I think he's generously medicated and channels Yogi Berra . Ya know? nm128
Aug 6, 2003 6:09 AM
Now THAT'S funny. Danmed funny. =) nmsn69
Aug 6, 2003 7:35 AM
He's no dope.......Just a scary guy.......nmMR_GRUMPY
Aug 6, 2003 6:21 AM
Agreed. Despite the Bush-like quality of that quotejtolleson
Aug 6, 2003 6:46 AM
I don't think that anyone can question Donald Rumsfield's intelligence with a straight face. I do find him right up there with Ashcroft as the two most frightening figures in this administration.

Partisan politics aside, I can have begrudging respect for Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell, Dick Cheney, and others with whom the President has chosen to surround himself. But the choices of Ashcroft and Rumsfield bespeak something much more worrisome to me.
by definition...ClydeTri
Aug 6, 2003 6:52 AM
Dont you want the Sec Def to be a "hawkish" person? His/her job is to go wage war and win when instructed to by the President and/or Congress. You do not want a dove in that position.
Hawkish is OK, ....................Wacko, is not............nmMR_GRUMPY
Aug 6, 2003 7:32 AM
You're right on, with one exception:OldEdScott
Aug 6, 2003 7:19 AM
Cheney is a Monster. There, I said it. It's the Camps for sure for me now ...
I think it sounds more like the definition of "is" by a ...Live Steam
Aug 6, 2003 9:30 AM
famous philanderer :O) Sort of Clinton like don't you think?
A modern day Dr. Strangelove, but I like him anyway.(nm)jesse1
Aug 6, 2003 11:45 AM
makes perfect sense to memohair_chair
Aug 6, 2003 8:11 AM
The problem is that he can't resist dropping into lingo and buzzword speak. I work in an industry where I hear a lot of that, so I'm used to it.

It really makes perfect sense if you actually think it through, although it's much easier to do that when reading it than hearing it. I would probably be shaking my head if I was hearing it. It's definitely a backup and read it again type of lingo.

I gotta say, Rumsfeld gives some of the most entertaining press conferences ever! I love the way he minimally covers up his contempt for stupid people asking stupid questions. And the stumbling/pregnant pauses where he is biting his tongue, and the press actually starts to laugh because they know what he really wants to say. He seems the most human of anyone in the administration.
re: As in the "Unknown Mover"jrm
Aug 6, 2003 11:57 AM
If so then he's talking in some serious god speak. Ah what the world needs is more faith based retrorit/policy. He's one of the founding Fathers of the PNAC is SCARY.