|Re: Hummer topic - 2004 Toyota Prius||Alex-in-Evanston|
Jul 31, 2003 6:40 AM
|http://www.toyota.com/index1.html - follow the links.
This looks like an amazing car. I always heard that Honda Insights were sold under cost to develop a market for hybrids while new battery technology gradually brings down prices. Does anyone know if this is true?
Also - it appears to be a 5 door. Think you could fit a bicycle in there?
Jul 31, 2003 6:48 AM
|we use them here as company cars (a Canadian governmental department heavily involved in Climate Change and Energy efficiency).
They were marketed as tests, and the tests have failed. Gas is too cheap. The climate change tax on fossil fuels should double the price, then we'll see some interesting technologies(As in European).
I don't think you'd fit a bike inside, maybe a small bike with the rear seats folded down. I'd have to take my seatpost out, more than likely.
|Are we talking the same model?||Alex-in-Evanston|
Jul 31, 2003 6:57 AM
|I wasn't aware they were available yet. The model from the past 2 years is quite a bit smaller.
|Are we talking the same model?||coifmo|
Aug 1, 2003 11:08 AM
Complete redesign from end to end with a new version of the hybrid drive system that makes the car bigger, faster and cleaner than the old one. I was at the US roll-out for the car in April where the Toyota folks say the have something like 200 new patents on it.
On the whole, a very cool car and a remarkable bit of engineering. Also better looking than the old. Only major flaw is you can't get a sunroof on it.
They cut about 2 seconds off the 0-60 time, and it still gets 15 percent BETTER mileage than the first generation model. It is a hatchback, and it meets the government definition of a midsize (old one was a compact). It's smaller than my Passat, but much bigger than the old Prius. Interior materials in the pre-production model were much nicer than the predecessor.
Car goes on sale in October.
The hybrid system will be offered in a couple of Toyota SUVs next year (Lexus RX330 and Toyota Highlander). Company says is will sell 300K hybrids/year by 2005.
US makers have been talking hybrids of their own, but are way behind the curve. Ford has twice delayed its hybrid Escape SUV twice; now slated to hit the consumer market in '05. But the vehicle uses a system that's much more like the first generation Toyota than the second.