|Quick poll: How much money is in your wallet right now?||mohair_chair|
Jul 30, 2003 9:33 AM
|I have $63 and a lottery ticket that could be worth $41 million.|
|re: Quick poll: How much money is in your wallet right now?||No_sprint|
Jul 30, 2003 9:40 AM
|$45 bucks and a receipt to get my new carbon wheel in a few hours.|
|you one of them revenuers? nm||DougSloan|
Jul 30, 2003 9:42 AM
|Before of after taxes?? Cash: $28 Plastic: a lot . nm||128|
Jul 30, 2003 9:45 AM
|I'll plead the fifth,||TJeanloz|
Jul 30, 2003 9:48 AM
|Actually, it is $0. I keep my cash in my pocket, wallet is reserved for cards.
My pockets are somewhat richer.
Jul 30, 2003 10:18 AM
|my pockets are NOT much richer. Six bucks. Will have $2,000 in small bills later this afternoon tho. Ah, politics.|
|Small bills hey?||Live Steam|
Jul 30, 2003 11:13 AM
|Why? Are you lobbying for the local paperboy?|
|LOL! No, I'm helping a citizens' group on||OldEdScott|
Jul 30, 2003 11:32 AM
|a huge zoning battle, donating my own time but I need some money to pay some printing and other expenses, and they just went around and took up a collection. Makes me feel like a bag man, though!|
|So do these "citizens" want to keep ....||Live Steam|
Jul 30, 2003 12:13 PM
|corporate America out or do they want zoning regs relaxed so they can build big condos?|
|You're so cynical||OldEdScott|
Jul 30, 2003 4:11 PM
|They're frickin family farmers, a million years on the land, who want to stop a gigantic subdivision that will devastate their lives. Surely even you, Steam, can sympathize. But maybe not, eh? After all, the subdivider has a RIGHT TO MAKE MONEY. There's no morality or sentimentality when it comes to MAKING MONEY, right?
(I'm taking a bath on this, by the way, so don't even mention the 2K, which is less than half of what I've spent).
|No it was more tongue in cheek than ...||Live Steam|
Jul 30, 2003 6:38 PM
|any cynicism intended. But we could get into it more base on the additional info :O) Sounds like the corporate builders are in town. Toll Bros, Beezer Homes, NVR? Dominion? Who are the nasty culprits that dare to make money on an investment? Who sold to them? Shouldn't they be hung from the highest oak? How will these farmers be hurt? How will it "devastate their lives"? It seems to me their property values will increase and they will have new neighbors to sell their produce too. Am I missing something? I do however believe a few things - 1.communities have a right to legislate their future existence 2.land owners who pay taxes have a right to do with that land what ever is legal 3.communities should have some foresight to plan ahead and not pull the rug out from under someone because their vision of the future does not match someone else's.
I would like to know exactly what the liberal agenda is. You guys don't want to halt or stem immigration because your constituencies are in many cases consist primarily of immigrant families, but you also don't want to allow development. Where is everyone supposed to live? Also, doesn't a land owner have rights too. If they paid taxes on that land and now decide to sell or to develop it themselves, don't they have any rights? Aren't you for individual freedoms and for protecting the rights of individuals? Change is a tough thing to accept for many. In a few years these farmers children will be chomping at the bit to sell and make big bucks from that land.
For the record, I commend your charitable sensibilities. Your response was somewhat cynical don't you think?
|Steam, you're the Nixon of the '00s: You never let me down(nm)||cory|
Jul 30, 2003 9:07 PM
|Thanks. It's not every day that ....||Live Steam|
Jul 31, 2003 4:59 AM
|I get compared to a great American President :O)|
|You just keep holding those views, Steam.||OldEdScott|
Jul 31, 2003 5:07 AM
|It's why you guys will never hold power for more than a few years. Money uber alles. Pave it all. Plow it under, salt it, and stick in houses on every square inch. Drive the folks already there into bankruptcy because they can't afford the property taxes on their suddenly very pricey farms. Poison the last pristine creek in the county with lawn chemicals. Turn the small roads they now use for farm equipment and to move cattle from pasture to pasture into six-lane nightmares, effective ending their ability to move equipment and livestock around, and destroying their ability to make a living.
Oh, Steam. I DO love the way you guys, in your love and reverence for only money, always overplay your hand. I hope more of you get elected next year, and get to enact your agenda. It will be the beginning of the end for this odd mutated 'conservatism' that has lately emerged in America, when you finally get Total Control.
My position, fancy this, is TRULY conservative. Preservation of farmland and way of life. Family values. These farms are passed on through generations. These are Jefferson's yeoman farmers. They are vanishing every day, and rabid development is one big reason.
Go hug your money, Steam. I hope it returns your passion in spades.
|You think you know me but ...||Live Steam|
Jul 31, 2003 5:54 AM
|you are way off my fury friend. I hold the same reverence for the land that you do. I also appreciate tradition, family values and preservation of "a way of life". I am confused by your positions though.
Where do you stand on inheritance tax if you believe that these farms should be handed down from generation to generation? Isn't this a sticky point for the left? I am also confused by whose rights you feel weigh more than another's. You failed to answer my previous questions about individual rights. Whose rights do you feel need protecting? How about the poor farmer in your community that can't make it any more or just doesn't want to farm his land any more. He sees an opportunity to enrich his life by developing the land. Doesn't he have a right to do so if the "current" zoning allows for it? Is it right that some jealous neighbor can come in with a community board hearing and trash his dreams?
As I said, it is sad to see a way of life go by the wayside. However time does not sit still. Communities go through changes time after time. The community I live in changed from that of about 220K to almost triple that in 30 years - most of it occurring in the last 10. The population growth as really changed this place and not really for the better. Many business' have prospered as a result, but the small town feel is totally gone. Did anyone have the right to stem that tide? I think not.
I also asked you about immigration. Where do you stand on that? You do know people have to live somewhere - but I guess not in your backyard, right? Let me know where you stand on the issues I posed. Maybe you can enlighten me :O)
Hey for the record and it's the honest truth. I was a registered Dumocrat for the last quarter century. A friend took me out the day of my 18th birthday for a few "legal" beers. Some local politico was stumping at the watering hole for his primary. He found out that I had just become of legal voting age as well as a legal imbiber , so he asked me to register as a democrat in order to allow me to vote for him in the primary. I never changed my party affiliation in 25 years - that is until just recently. I picked up a change form at the post office a few months ago and I am now a full fledged registered Republican. Do you want to know the reason I never changed parties even though I never even once voted for a Dumocrat? I figured it would be my own little way of showing voter dissent with the Dumocratic Party. They must tally how many votes are cast out of party, don't they? :O)
|Even you will have a hard time getting||OldEdScott|
Jul 31, 2003 6:25 AM
|to the right of me on immigration, Steam. I'm for very restrictive immigration, maybe even a ten-year moratorium until we can get the situation under control. More Dumocrats than you think agree with me on this, although it's not the party line.
As far as 'whose rights trump,' I say there are community rights that trump individual rights certain cases, and you believe that too and so does everyone else. You just don't apply it to developers, or situations where someone's in line to make money at the expense of something you see no value in. There's money to be made! Screw 500 neighbors, screw the watershed, screw 200 years of history and tradition! I, ME -- the SOVEREIGN ME --CAN MAKE SOME MONEY!
The law of the land is FULL of instances where your 'rights' are restricted by a compelling community interest. But you don't see community. You see money. Money is the measure of all things. Which is where your philosophy begins to rot.
|Again you misjudge me||Live Steam|
Jul 31, 2003 2:57 PM
|Money is not what drives me. I have an understanding for what these people may be fighting for. However one day, probably not too far off into the future, there will be a breaking in the ranks of these farmers. Their descending families will have had enough of the farming gig and will see "greener pastures" too.
Hey there is nothing wrong with money. It all depends on how one acquires it. I have a peeve with the corporate builders too, but I also have a problem with the government telling me what I can and cannot do with land that I have paid taxes on for many years. I went down that road with the DEC. I had lakefront property that was vacant for many years. Paid my taxes and even paid an engineer and contractor to design and install a septic system for future use. When I went to build on this good upland, lakefront property, the DEC claimed it was wetlands based on vegetation growing on it. Well duh! It's lakefront property. Certain plants will grow near the lake. Those plants also grew in the neighbors yards too. There were houses on either side. I had to fight a huge battle, but in the end I won out. There are a lot of people who have been screwed in a similar way.
In your instance, the community should have planned ahead. They should have instituted measures to protect what is important to them prior to someone attempting to develop that land. They must have seen it happening in other communities. Pulling the rug out from under someone after the fact is not fair especially if what they intended to do is legal under current zoning regs. As I said, sometime in the not too distant future, others will want to do the same thing on that land. I guess if they are better connected, they will get their way.
|Steam, for God's sake --||OldEdScott|
Aug 1, 2003 6:11 AM
|-- THEY want to change the zoning to ALLOW the subdivision.
-- THEY want variances that will allow them to build in a protected scenic corridor, which is mainly there to protect a special creek that is a community treasure.
|Not his. Ours :O)||Live Steam|
Aug 1, 2003 7:31 AM
|That's a horse of a different color. If the current zoning doesn't allow it and these measures are in place to protect a specific natural water course, I say they should move on. The rest of my argument still holds though. I see in many instances that communities fail to see their future and fail to act preemptively if change is not what they want. I think this happens because they are not sure what they want. Everyone wants money, but they are not quite sure they will like the results of their actions, so they don't act. They wait. If the powers that be or the "right people" stand to profit, the project proceeds. If it is an outsider, they stonewall it until it dies. That's just human nature. Most do what is expedient and good for their own and not necessarily what is good for all.|
|Good to see you come down on the side of civic virtue!||OldEdScott|
Aug 1, 2003 7:43 AM
|This is a case of the powers that be or the 'right people' standing to profit. One of them is the sitting lieutenant governor -- who's a Dumocrat!
Don't worry, though, Steam, I smiting him nonetheless!
|Ditto on the wallet. Greenbacks go ....||Live Steam|
Jul 30, 2003 11:17 AM
|in the pocket. If I were an old Italian guy they would have a rubberband wrapping them up. I just fold and store. I've got about $68 bucks here I think.
The better question would be, how much cash do you keep on hand in the house? You never know when you may have to lamb it :O)
|Ditto on the wallet. Greenbacks go ....||TJeanloz|
Jul 30, 2003 11:21 AM
|The better question is a good question. I do keep a reserve bit of cash (half in dollars, half in Euros; I'll let you speculate about how much) next to my passports, for those moments when I'm in rush to go somewhere. You never know when you'll need it...|
|Int'l Man of Mystery, eh?!? :-)) (nm)||RhodyRider|
Jul 30, 2003 12:45 PM
|Not that interesting,||TJeanloz|
Jul 30, 2003 12:50 PM
|It's just not uncommon to get a phone call in the middle of the night, and have to be on a plane to meet a client an hour later. Dollars and Euros work in 99% of countries.|
|I haven't owned a wallet since high school.||OldEdScott|
Jul 30, 2003 11:34 AM
|Money belongs in a pocket, and I don't use credit cards, so ...|
|dunno...$30-40 I'm guessing (nm)||ColnagoFE|
Jul 30, 2003 9:53 AM
|re: Quick poll: How much money is in your wallet right now?||MR_GRUMPY|
Jul 30, 2003 10:09 AM
|Sub-poll: D'you use a money clip?I do Stnls Stl Zippo w/blade||128|
Jul 30, 2003 10:16 AM
|Yes, a nice engraved sterling silver one from Fiance. (nm)||RhodyRider|
Jul 30, 2003 12:46 PM
|$1.54 in flippen coins........... nm||african|
Jul 30, 2003 10:18 AM
|I don't have a wallet. nm||JS Haiku Shop|
Jul 30, 2003 10:41 AM
|Please don't tell us you're a man purser! nm||No_sprint|
Jul 30, 2003 10:44 AM
|it's not a purse, it's a european carry-all (just kidding) nm||JS Haiku Shop|
Jul 31, 2003 5:36 AM
|re: Im rich, Im rich, im a happy Mizer....mine all mine stay awa||jrm|
Jul 30, 2003 12:04 PM
|$45, £5, 5 and ...||Fr Ted Crilly|
Jul 30, 2003 12:12 PM
|...a fully stamped Philly cheessteak card, worth one 10" Philly chesesteak on my next visit. That reminds me, time for lunch.|
|$45, £10 (Punts), 30||jose_Tex_mex|
Jul 30, 2003 12:58 PM
I have a few fivers with the Nun on it and a couple of Euro from when the change over took place. Never bothered to piss the few quid away at Duty Free. It's in my wallet - I guess I actually made some money on the Euros.
|$54 and $20 Mexican Pesos (nm)||Fender|
Jul 30, 2003 1:06 PM
|Enough for eight pints and a shot of Lagavulin nm||rwbadley|
Jul 30, 2003 8:32 PM