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Fatal SUV rollovers jump 14 percent(18 posts)

Fatal SUV rollovers jump 14 percentDuane Gran
Jul 18, 2003 7:40 AM
From a summary of a recent NHTSA report:

http://money.cnn.com/2003/07/18/pf/autos/bc.autos.deaths.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes

I figured it was high time to fan the flame again. :) Don't worry, I'm not going to vandalize your SUV or hate you if you drive one, but if you do, please drive safely.
yawnColnagoFE
Jul 18, 2003 8:36 AM
sure suvs are gonna roll over easier than a car with a lower center of gravity. this is old news. the statistics are suspect as well. i don't think you're going to get anyone to sell their SUV based on this article.
In what way are the statistics in this article suspect? nmcritmass
Jul 18, 2003 8:58 AM
In what way are the statistics in this article suspect? nmColnagoFE
Jul 18, 2003 9:23 AM
I suspect ALL statistics. Too easy to make them say what you want them to say.
So your criticism of Duane's post on that point was baseless? nmcritmass
Jul 18, 2003 9:32 AM
Duane was just posting a link from Money MagazineColnagoFE
Jul 18, 2003 10:34 AM
I don't think there was enough information given in that article to be able to tell whether or not the statistics were accurate or not. Where did they get their information? What defined a fatal crash? What defined an SUV? How does that compare to other models of cars/trucks?
For me fatal as a variable has a fixed valuecritmass
Jul 18, 2003 12:50 PM
But then the NHTSA probably falsifies all their statistics just to irritate supporters of SUV's
correction "not a variable it has a fixed value"critmass
Jul 18, 2003 11:52 PM
IWhat Variables and or assumptions do they take into accountjrm
Jul 18, 2003 10:56 AM
Like weather, speed, vehicle condition, time of day......
49.62% of all statistics are made up. (nm)El Guapo
Jul 18, 2003 11:49 AM
To some 100% if they don't support their point. nmcritmass
Jul 18, 2003 12:20 PM
yup, but balanced?DougSloan
Jul 18, 2003 9:02 AM
If you get t-boned in an SUV, it may well knock you over. However, that's because the impact of the other car wedges under; the same collision in a regular car might well kill everyone inside from the direct impact. Somewhat speculative, but I've seen lots of accident photos and video where there seems to be born out.

Also offsetting might be the front and rear end, especially rear end, impacts where SUVs can come out almost unscathed, with passengers not even feeling an impact (personal experience on this one), where the same collision destroys a regular car and injures the occupants.

Doug
yup, but balanced?MikeBiker
Jul 18, 2003 4:13 PM
In Colorado, high center of gravity vehicles like SUVs are mentioned often in the paper in winter in single vehicle accidents in which the driver slides on ice and hits a curb or other object. Too many people seem to believe the ads (professional driver on closed course) that show the SUV's going very fast on poor surfaces and feel that they can do that also.

Mike
So what's mroe likely to happen?Fender
Jul 18, 2003 9:41 AM
Being involved in a collision or rolling over in an SUV?

I'm asking because I'm looking into buying a used car and curious as to which is more likely to happen? If my chances of rolling over are greater than being in a collision, then a normal car will do, but if there is a larger chance of being in a normal collision as opposed to a SUV, I'll take the SUV (for safety).

Also, it allows you to carry your bike around easier. =)
I think you have to factor in the consequences of each, too nmDougSloan
Jul 18, 2003 9:44 AM
Another thing...modern SUVs are safer than older onesColnagoFE
Jul 18, 2003 10:38 AM
Our 2002 Explorer is wider and has built in rollover sensors to adjust the suspension if it detects a rollover is imminent. It also has side curtain air bags and a auto fuel shutoff should a rollover occur. I'd say that is loads safer than the old explorers where they were basically converted Ranger pickup trucks with none of these safety features.
Another thing...modern SUVs are safer than older onescritmass
Jul 19, 2003 12:11 AM
What does rollover sensors and auto fuel shutoff should a rollover occur tell you? It's good that some SUV makers are realizing that rollover is a problem and are trying to find systems to improve your chances of it not happening. But then electrical/computer systems never fail do they.
duh...it's simple physics!ColnagoFE
Jul 21, 2003 6:49 AM
high center of gravity trucks and cars roll easier than lower center of gravity cars. the high clearance is good for getting over obstacles such as snowdrifts and rough offroad situations, but not as good for highway driving. you seem to have a vendetta against SUVs for some reason. i'm sure all of your points apply to most pickups as well. why not rail on them too?