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all about G W Bush(13 posts)

all about G W BushEpicX
Jul 18, 2003 7:28 AM
and this is the man we expect to turn the economy around??

It's easy to beat up on W...94Nole
Jul 18, 2003 9:33 AM
but who would you say would be a better alternative and why? And please don't say Algore and no, you can't bring back Slick Willie.

I am serious. It is easy to beat and bang on those who are doing this and not doing that, without offering alternatives, etc.

Other than the war (Lord knows, we know the answer to that one), what GWB policies do you disagree with? Agree with? And how would you fix "it" (whatever "it" is) if you were appointed President?
I think plenty of people disagree with the tax cut (nm)TJeanloz
Jul 18, 2003 10:08 AM
But what's the alternative? Higher taxes?94Nole
Jul 18, 2003 10:41 AM
It's easy to say "plenty of people disagree" but what should be done and who should do it?

I have heard that there is a lever in the oval office that controls the economy, maybe W can be convinced to push it or pull it? I mean that is all that needs to be done to stimulate the economy, right? I think this is more complicated than people realize. Why does cutting taxes not stimulate the economy? Has it stimulated the economy and we're just not hearing or reading about it? Could that be? Would increasing taxes stimulate it?

I'm tired of people Monday morning QBing. Tell me what should be done and why? It might determine how I vote in the next and subsequent elections.
In a Coke/Booze bender G dubya busted the leverjrm
Jul 18, 2003 10:59 AM
And they say its gonna take a long time to fix....
No tax cuts would be a start. Higher taxes if necessary.czardonic
Jul 18, 2003 11:06 AM
We have made a lot of commitments -- to national security, Afghanistan, Iraq. This is no time to be buying votes with tax cuts.

    "Why does cutting taxes not stimulate the economy? Has it stimulated the economy and we're just not hearing or reading about it? Could that be?"


    "I'm tired of people Monday morning QBing."

I'm tired of this obtuse position that President Bush has absolutely no responsibility for the state of this nation, except when something goes well in which case he claims all the credit. If Bush claims that his tax cuts will create jobs and boost the economy, your excuse that the president doesn't have any influence on the economy doesn't cut it. That isn't the Commie News Network's fault. Bush opened his fool mouth, and he has nobody else to blame if he is revealed as a liar or an idiot.
Would seem that more responsibility for the economy94Nole
Jul 18, 2003 11:21 AM
would fall on the Congress. The President doesn't introduce legislation. How many in your camp supported the legislation that has been passed since '01?
Passing the buck won't work.czardonic
Jul 18, 2003 11:53 AM
The President's party holds a majority in both houses of Congress, and I am perfectly willing to let any Democrat who has been complicit in Bush's ruinous agenda go down with his sinking ship of credibility.
It's reality. Something the left has a hard time dealing with.94Nole
Jul 18, 2003 12:14 PM
Blame whoever it's convenient to blame.

Oh, and the Repubs will gain seats next fall. Enjoy.
So when they gain even more seats. . .czardonic
Jul 18, 2003 12:23 PM
. . .will they be finally responsible for the policies they enact?

I didn't contradict a single thing you said. I simply pointed out that even if you pass the buck to Congress, Congress is also controlled by the GOP. So where is this inability to deal with reality?

It seems an awful lot like "blame whoever it's convenient to blame" is the GOP's M.O. Not only have the ceded fiscal responsibility to the Democrats, they've also ceded personal responsibility.
So now the Congress is responsible?94Nole
Jul 18, 2003 12:38 PM
Listen, you and I both know these lilly livered Repubs and Dems in the Congress (for the most part) are simply trying to keep a job. They couldn't care less about you or me or the money they spend or the tax cuts. There have been some who I thought really did care and tried to do the job they went there to do. Wellstone, although I didn't agree with his politics, was one of those that I felt was really there for his constituants. There have been others too that have since quit because of the crap that they have to endure. Most go to Washington and sell there souls to the first checkbook that comes by.

They say they care but they don't. But they are so far from reality that it is not even funny. It is all a big game for money and power. Darn, I guess you guys are starting to get to me.

That's the beauty of politics, it's kind of like forecasting the weather, one can be wrong most of the time and still keep a job.

No wonder so many seek it. I am tired of arguing. I think I'll just stick to reading the general board to learn about roadbikes, the reason I came to this site in the first place.
well if they do it doesn't say much for those voting for themEpicX
Jul 18, 2003 7:10 PM
amazing what one little article can start.

with bush in the big house and republican control in congress, WHO IS TO BLAME? I mean really? The buck has to stop somewhere. if they can't make good decisions then what the hell are they there for? if things keep on going as is and republicans don't LOSE seats, then most voters are sheep.

hey, i don't know what the answer is, but tax cut after tax cut is not solving anything. whoop de doo. i got $350. Well i also got laid off due to downsizing brought on by a crap economy. wish i hadn't spent that $$...

people don't spend money and the economy falters. most people (non-politicians) that live in the real world and pay their own bills, don't spend much if they are too worried about losing their job.

i don't particularly like bush, but i don't give a damn WHO'S in the white house and in control of congress. I'd vote snow white and the seven dwarves up in there if i thought they could do better. I'd also be just as irritated if they couldn't.
So lets turn it around.Spoke Wrench
Jul 18, 2003 1:21 PM
IF Osamma was sitting in a jail cell in gitmo.
IF Sadam was gone and Iraq was being successfully rebuilt.
IF unemployment was at least steady.
Would the Republicans be claiming credit?

Of course they would. Well, that's not the reality and so they have to accept the responsibility for things being the way that they are. Accepting responsibility, that's a conservative concept isn't it? Today's Republicans just don't get it.