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lies, lies, liessacheson
Jun 27, 2003 11:57 AM
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=16274
re: lies, lies, liesJon Billheimer
Jun 27, 2003 2:21 PM
Unfortunately the American people in their fear and need for retribution after 9/11 bought the whole thing lock, stock, and barrel. And, if human nature remains true to form, will be extremely reluctant to ever face up to the fact that they've been duped by a dishonest administration with a questionable, hidden agenda. If perchance a persistent, meddling press or more unlikely, an organized political opposition, ever exposes this administration for the manipulative, dishonest, and predatory group that it is I wonder if a seemingly gullible American public will ever learn any lasting lessons in the folly of blindly trusting its elected and appointed officials? First Nixon, then Clinton, and now this bunch of ersatz conservative frauds!
I'm not a religious man ...sacheson
Jun 27, 2003 2:38 PM
... but I'll give three Amens to that!
I'm not a religious man either, but ...Live Steam
Jun 27, 2003 4:23 PM
it is obvious your hatred for GW overshadows any fair-minded assessment of the situation by you and others with the same hatred. I think this is a good thing because the left is being exposed for what they truly are!
I think you should rephrase ...sacheson
Jun 27, 2003 7:24 PM
... not hatred for GW ... complete distain for slimy, lying, cheating politicians - liberals included.
OK , but before I will call GW ...Live Steam
Jun 27, 2003 7:42 PM
a liar I need proof, not lack thereof. Many, many people from both sides of the aisle and intelligence agencies from other countries stated firmly that they believed that Iraq had an active WMD program. This piling on GW is not warrented. It is just a ploy by the left to avert attention away from their own failings.
OK , but before I will call GW ...sacheson
Jun 28, 2003 8:49 AM
... and many people - including the inspectors in Iraq - said no tangible proof had been located. Bush and his croanies concocted a story that justified their use of force. Unfortunately for them, the truth is finally being uncovered.
Well, there ya' go again ....Live Steam
Jun 28, 2003 10:17 AM
Where is the evidence they "concocted" anything? Everyone for the past 12 - 15 years had the same intelligence reports including the last administration. As you can see from the quote of these lefties, they all believed the evidence pointed to WMD being proliferated in Iraq.

Many of the quotes were made just prior to GW taking office. If Iraq doesn't have them now they didn't have them prior or they are very well hidden or passed off to another country. The members of the Armed Services Committee get the same intelligence reports the President does and they are a bipartisan group. They all came to the same conclusion including the hooded wonder Senator Byrd, Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen and the former VP Al Bore. Bore said it in 2002. He must have been privy to intelligence collected during the previous administration. If the information is bad, it's been bad for a long time and Bush should be pissed off that he was mislead as everyone else is. For these iconoclasts to now turn and change their positions is hypocritical at best.
Well, there ya' go again ....sacheson
Jun 28, 2003 8:10 PM
GW is privvy to more information that you, I, or most people who made those references will ever be. He knew what was going on, he knew how he was manipulating the American public, and he exercized his might hoping his assumptions would prove true.

Regardless of what anyone said, few of those individuals had/have access to the information GW does (and Clinton did). He is the one that have committed the troops, and he should be the one held responsible for his actions.
Wrong again!Live Steam
Jun 29, 2003 3:15 AM
Here is the list of the current Armed Services Committee. As I am sure you will astutely notice, many of the pundits that voiced their "informed" opinions about Iraq's WMD capabilities are on this list. I posted bothe Dumocrats and Republicans, so you can see for yourself who is on it to compare that to others you have heard speak up about this issue such as John McCain and Pat Roberts from the right. Notice who heads of the list from the left - Kennedy, Byrd, Lieberman, Levin and the Witch! These people get any and all information the President gets. Please know the facts before slandering our President :O)

REPUBLICANS
John Warner (Virginia)
Chairman

John McCain (Arizona)
James M. Inhofe (Oklahoma)
Pat Roberts (Kansas)
Wayne Allard (Colorado)
Jeff Sessions (Alabama)
Susan M. Collins (Maine)
John Ensign (Nevada)
James M. Talent (Missouri)
Saxby Chambliss (Georgia)
Lindsey O. Graham (South Carolina)
Elizabeth Dole (North Carolina)
John Cornyn (Texas)

DEMOCRATS

Carl Levin (Michigan)
Ranking Member

Edward M. Kennedy (Massachusetts)
Robert C. Byrd (West Virginia)
Joseph I. Lieberman (Connecticut)
Jack Reed (Rhode Island)
Daniel K. Akaka (Hawaii)
Bill Nelson (Florida)
E. Benjamin Nelson (Nebraska)
Mark Dayton (Minnesota)
Evan Bayh (Indiana)
Hillary Rodham Clinton (New York)
Mark Pryor (Arkansas)
I'm not a religious man either, but ...filtersweep
Jun 30, 2003 10:13 AM
Or rather what right-winged fundamentalist zealots Ashcroft, Bush, et al truly are...?
Dear Jon If The Bush Administration Lied About WMDLive Steam
Jun 27, 2003 4:14 PM
So Did These People!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The only thing the American people should get from all of this is that liberals are duplicitous hypocrites that are more willing to support a murderous dicatator than the President of the United States as long as it fits their agenda.

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002

"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a wa
Dear Jon If The Bush Administration Lied About WMDLive Steam
Jun 27, 2003 4:16 PM
"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998"

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." -- Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002

"Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq's denials, U.N. inspectors discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that Iraq was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that Iraq is still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason to think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued biological and chemical weapons.U.N. inspectors have said that Iraq's claims about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In 1986, Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own Kurdish population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the past, there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no doubt that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass destruction." -- Patty Murray, October 9, 2002

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998
the only possible responseDougSloan
Jun 30, 2003 12:56 PM
is that Saddam got rid of all the weapons in the few months before the war started (of course they were there when Clinton was in office). The demos will never admit they lied (if anyone did), will they?

Good work.

Doug
Whew!SteveS
Jun 27, 2003 8:00 PM
You kind of blew the Dems out of the water with those quotes, congratulations. I am not an overly secular man, but I can give 2 'here, heres' to that effort.

In terms of our foreign 'friends' and observors, their animus is fairly clear to see to anyone who has listened to their 'advice.'

Ah, the Left...can't live with them, can definitely live without them.
Ah ...sacheson
Jun 28, 2003 8:50 AM
the shallow minded right. Can't live with 'em, can definitely laugh at 'em!
Funny stuff. :)Sintesi
Jun 28, 2003 5:27 PM
Live Steam, where does one get a slew of quotes like that so quickly?

That was pretty amazing. I'm assuming a website of some sort or are you one of these guys that has 10,000 newspapers in his house? :)
Man, you do know how to do your homework! (nm)jesse1
Jun 28, 2003 3:42 AM
Conspicuously absent is a response from Old EdLive Steam
Jun 30, 2003 10:28 AM
Is this another typical ploy used by the left? Ignore what can't be refuted or denied :O)
Conspicuously absent is a response from Old EdLive Steam
Jun 30, 2003 12:12 PM
nm
Conspicuously absent is a response from Old EdLive Steam
Jun 30, 2003 12:12 PM
nm?
Conspicuously absent is a response from Old EdLive Steam
Jun 30, 2003 12:13 PM
nm??
Conspicuously absent is a response from Old EdLive Steam
Jun 30, 2003 12:13 PM
nm???
Sorry, dude, I wasn't following this thread.OldEdScott
Jul 1, 2003 5:29 AM
What do you want to know?

I believe everyone was basing their opinions on fraudulent intel fabricated by the Bush administration, and that he should be impeached for treason. That's it in a nutshell.
That's what I thought you would say :O)Live Steam
Jul 1, 2003 6:46 AM
It doesn't matter that Bush wasn't President when many of those pundits made their statements, does it! Thanks for your reply :O)
Sorry, man, you're too all over the board forOldEdScott
Jul 1, 2003 7:34 AM
a slow Dumocrat like me to keep up with. I thought we were talking about stuff people were saying to justify their decision to support the outgoing President's decision to go to war. If you want to jerk up some quotes from '98 or whatever, have at it.

Doesn't change the fact that George Bush lied his ass off to the American people about this war and manipulated intel to justify it, in which case he should be impeached for treason, or he's so ignorant of the treachery his own people are up to that he should be declared incapable of carrying out the duties of office and Big Dick/Lionheart Cheney should come out of hiding and take over openly.

We'll get there. These people are so arrogant and contemptuous that they're going to come a cropper. Just a matter of time, my friend.
No I think the arrogance and contemt is on the part of the ....Live Steam
Jul 1, 2003 8:22 AM
Dumocrats (for clarity Dumocrats are the talking heads leading the party. Ya'll are "democrats :O)

The positions taken by leading Dumocrats and Hollywood loud mouths is what's arrogant and contemtuous. I suppose the members of the Senate Armed Services Committee were duped by the same intel. Same goes for However Many including your last boy Al Bore who was privy to all the intel right up until the election, stated unequivocally that Iraq had them. William Cohen made his statement in April of 2003, but I guess he was duped by this admin too. Most Americans see the Dumocratic party for what they are and will not be fooled. The hypocrisy of the Dumocratics is so thick you could serve it with the crow they will have to swallow after the next election. I'm looking forward to it :O)
We're already picking the House Managers for theOldEdScott
Jul 1, 2003 8:29 AM
impeachment! I'm hoping for someone really greasy and disgusting, like Henry Hyde. I'm sure the Dumocrats have someone appropriate stashed away.
The jury is still out on the WMD.......MR_GRUMPY
Jun 27, 2003 5:11 PM
Doesn't look good for Prez. George. If the WMD don't turn up, he may be leaving office early.
Sure, all politicians lie for political gain, but not all lie to start a war. I never thought that George was too bright, but I never thought that he was stupid.
Dear Steam,Jon Billheimer
Jun 28, 2003 6:09 AM
I don't give a rat's hoop if it's a Repub or a Dem pres. who lies and misleads to get his way. I mentioned Clinton in my first post. It's you knee-jerk righties who keep converting everything to a Repub/Dem polarity.

Your Pantywaste Liberal Friend,

Jon :)-
It was duly noted :O)Live Steam
Jun 28, 2003 10:21 AM
Read my post above. Everyone including the British, French and pretty much the entire UN Security Council had the same intelligence. They have all gone on record, as per the quotes above, that they were convinced as anyone that Saddam had the WMD. Most of the quotes where made before Bush was even in office, so the information they had then was as bad as it is now. Holding Bush's feet to the fire for this is plain wrong.
It was duly noted :O)bic
Jun 28, 2003 3:04 PM
Sounds like most of the free world agreeded with Saddam having WMD. Guess everyone is wrong or maybe we should be asking the question where did they go and who has them now???
It was duly noted :O)Jon Billheimer
Jun 28, 2003 7:04 PM
That too. It was verified at one point that he indeed had them, but when the UN inspectors went back in they found nothing, suggesting that he had either gotten rid of them, hidden them exceedingly well, or gotten them out of the country. But additionally the administration was making wild-eyed and unverifiable claims about his delivery capacity, non-existent nuclear weapons program, drones, etc. Clearly a lot of hyperbole and propaganda has been dished out.

The burden of proof remains, however, on the United States, since Bush is the one who has made all the claims and used these claims as justification for a war and an occupation. Time, indeed, will tell.
Well gee wiz Jon .......Live Steam
Jun 29, 2003 3:29 AM
you hit the nail on the head - "suggesting that he had either gotten rid of them, hidden them exceedingly well, or gotten them out of the country". This is the reality of the situation and I'll admit to that. However, which scenario should we believe and where are they? They were to reveal to the world what they did with them and how they were disposed of. They failed to do so and our President acted as per UN resolutions spelled out more that ten years ago and prior to our country being savagely attacked. You may feel safe and immune from acts of terrorism up there in the Great White North, but we are targets here in America and I am happy our President took pre-emptive action against a state government that clearly had designs of aggression against the US. Sorry, but I'll side with my President before I'll side with a megalomaniac.
Well gee wiz Jon .......Jon Billheimer
Jun 29, 2003 6:39 AM
"My country right or wrong": unfortnately an all-too familiar refrain by a frightened public willing to give away their power to hold their government accountable.

BTW, I understand the fear and the outrage from 9/11. If I'd been Prez and followed my natural inclinations I'd probably have obliterated the entire middleast with the mother of all atomic bombs!! But that doesn't make it right.