Jun 19, 2003 7:41 PM
|Has anybody else read the article by John Dean about the problem Prez. George might have. I never thought that Dean was a "lefty", so I was very supprised to read his take on the subject.
The article is about the lack of the WMD in Iraq, and the possible fallout of them not turning up. Read it, it's very interesting. I'm kind of shocked that Dean would even bring up the idea of Impeachment. After all, Dean was involved in the whole Nixon mess.
|Dean is somewhat of a surprise.||jesse1|
Jun 20, 2003 5:32 AM
|It's also surprising to me how famous & well spoken he, G. Gordon Liddy, and Chuck Colson are (whether I agree with them or not). All loyal Nixon worker bees.
As far as the prez, I'm holding out hope that he didn't lie. Remember, there are/were many Demacrats as well that believed the same way as President Bush says he believes. Even Clinton while still in office made a famous speach saying about Sadam "he has them and he'll use them" in reference to WMD (heard this just this morn on Imus, spoken by Tim Russert).
Now if, God forbid, it is somehow proven that he lied, as much as I like him, YES, it is an impeachable offense. And at that point, I'd have a hard time ever having faith in a politician again.
Jun 20, 2003 6:56 AM
|Read the book Silent Coup by Len Colodny. You can actually read it online at http://www.watergate.com/silentcoup/index.html
According to many involved in Watergate Dean was a weasel who lied and schemed to cover his own rear end. Call into the G Gordon Liddy radio show some time and ask him his opinion on Dean. The interesting thing is Watergate revolved around Dean. His g/f of the time and later wife, lived with a woman who ran a group of hookers that the Democrats utilized. The reason they broke into the Democrat's office was to bug the phone of the woman who arranged the "dates" with these women and visiting Dem's and other important people. This has gotten very little press over the years.
|So, does that make him a Bush hater ??..........nm||MR_GRUMPY|
Jun 20, 2003 7:30 AM
|unlike, say, Nixon...||mohair_chair|
Jun 20, 2003 8:47 AM
|Go back and re-read your history books. Watergate was about a lot of very important things and you trivialize it by saying it was about bugging the phone of a women who arranged "dates." Please, for the sake of all mankind, stop learning history from talk radio and the Internet. The real crimes committed in the Watergate scandal came AFTER the breakin. Lying and scheming to cover your own behind? What do you think Nixon was doing???
Call me strange, but my version of loyalty doesn't mean covering up serious crimes I and others have committed. And Liddy is a psycho. The only way Liddy could ever respect Dean is if Dean had put a gun in his mouth and pulled the trigger instead of becoming the chief witness for the prosecution. Nobody likes a rat, right?
|not disagreeing with you...||ClydeTri|
Jun 20, 2003 9:01 AM
|I meant the breakin was about bugging a phone that was used in arranging "dates". My comments did NOT relate to what came later except that Dean was a rat.|
|yes, nixon did the crimes.||rufus|
Jun 20, 2003 3:06 PM
|but he did those things as he was steered by dean toward that direction. with dean with-holding what he knew, and lying to those involved how he was the president's point man on the issue, he used what information he gathered to protect himself and direct nixon toward the actions he took for the cover-up.
read the book. very interesting take. i know g. gordon liddy says that it explains all the extremely odd happenings that were going on at the time. and has no love for dean at all.
|The buck always stops at the top||MR_GRUMPY|
Jun 20, 2003 6:35 PM
|Whether it was Nixon's idea or not, he had to pay the price. If the WMD thing turn out to be a farce, I hope that heads will roll also. All the way to the top.
If the WMD show up, Bush and Blair will be hero's. If not, they can both fall on their swords.
|"The real crimes committed in the Watergate scandal came AFTER "||Live Steam|
Jun 21, 2003 2:12 PM
|Yup. You are correct about the break-in being a trivial matter compared to lying and covering up. The break-in was about as trivial as a BJ in the Oval office.
Watergate was very similar, but also very different than Monicagate. In Monicagate, the President of the United States of America looked into the camera and proclaimed to the American people "I did not have sexual relations with that ....." and then lied about it in sworn testimony in front of a federal judge. That sounds impeachable to me. At least Nixon didn't lie to a judge or to the American people and he had the good sense and balls to resign rather than drag the US through the scandal with him. Clinton was and is a selfish, self centered, egotistical bastard that put himself before the Country. JMO of course!