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more anti-free speech from the LeftDougSloan
Jun 9, 2003 9:33 AM
Babs supports the 1st Amendment? Apparently not when it comes to her...

Streisand sues photographer over coastal shots

June 3, 2003

LOS ANGELES--Barbra Streisand is suing an aerial photographer and his associates for $10 million, claiming pictures they provide to others of her Malibu home and property violate her right to privacy.

Kenneth Adelman, 39, of Watsonville; his Web hosting service,, and Pictopia, a photo agency that disseminates his work, were named in the lawsuit. It was filed May 20 in Los Angeles Superior Court and alleges five counts of privacy intrusion, including violation of the state's anti-paparazzi act.

The lawsuit asks that the defendants stop disseminating the photographs, which use ''enhanced technology'' and deprive Streisand ''of the economic value of the use of the images of her property and residence.''

Adelman's California Coastal Records Project Web site provides an aerial photography survey of the California coast for scientific and other researchers. His nonprofit organization has already captured 12,000 images.

Streisand's lawsuit alleges that detailed photographs of her property and residence she said were taken by Adelman and sold by Pictopia identify routes to enter her property and provide details that can't be seen from a public vantage point.

The lawsuit cites experiences with ''stalkers, threats to her safety, and undesirable personalities'' who Streisand says are now provided a ''road map into her residence'' by the Web site's pictures.

Adelman, a retired Silicon Valley entrepreneur and millionaire, said his intent was to provide a baseline for conservationists and other land-use researchers interested in a detailed record of the coastline.

''I think there's a free speech issue here,'' he said. ''The photographs were taken in a public place where she doesn't have a reasonable expectation of privacy.''

the photosDougSloan
Jun 9, 2003 9:36 AM
Babs likes it COOL!Live Steam
Jun 9, 2003 9:45 AM
A friend of mine manages a building in Manhattan. It's an old prewar building of approximately 12 - 16 stories. Julia Roberts, Benjamin Bratt and some other Hollywood types and high rollers have apartments in it. )Julia has about 2 or 3 Manhattan residences) These apartments are 21 room mansions that take up half of the floor plate. His buddy manages a building where Streisand has a condo of similar size. She requires that the temperature be kept at a constant 64 degrees in it year round. He said that she requires all her residences be kept at that temperature year round just in case she decises to drop in. She hates being warm. How much energy do you think she is wasting just keeping that Malibu mansion that cool each year?
Hey, it's HER money etc etcOldEdScott
Jun 9, 2003 9:52 AM
Besides, it all ends up the the pockets of you and Swinging Dick Cheney's energy mogul pals, so what's the damn beef?
Holy smokes, you call yourself a liberal?No_sprint
Jun 9, 2003 10:44 AM
Not after that comment. You're finally learning.

In regards to her and the AC, the problem is her hypocrisy in regards to what she does as opposed to what she is always telling others to do. Unfortunately, much of the population is even more idiotic than her, therefore, lots of liberals look to her as a representative of the left that actually is heard.
It's kind of a long running inside joke (nm)ColnagoFE
Jun 9, 2003 1:59 PM
her real motivation for suing?DougSloan
Jun 9, 2003 2:42 PM
I suspect her real motivation for suing is that displaying that $50 million estate (whatever) makes her look a bit hypocritical when speaking about social and environmental issues -- sort of like the motorhome that travels around in town with her so that she won't have to use public restrooms.

Oh PLEASE ...OldEdScott
Jun 9, 2003 9:46 AM
Barbra Streisand is an idiot. We all know that. To call her 'The Left' is about as fair as calling Timothy McVeigh 'The Right.' Every side has idiots and nuts. Sheesh.
She certainly was relevant when Willie was in office nmLive Steam
Jun 9, 2003 9:50 AM
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt. Wrong. nmOldEdScott
Jun 9, 2003 9:56 AM
I will never forgetmoneyman
Jun 9, 2003 10:10 AM
Barbra at an inaugural party for Bill & Hilly when, in between songs and with the royal ..., errrr, first couple looking on, gazed up to the heavens and said "We're in!"

It's really sad for me because I used to love "Hello Dolly" and now I just can't watch anymore.

hmm, interesting responseDougSloan
Jun 9, 2003 11:40 AM
I think I'm on to you. Anytime we go after anyone on the Left, you'll concede that particular person, or sometimes an issue, is not representative and that person is an idiot, thus sparing the rest of the group. Nice tactic. I like it. No more knee-jerk defensiveness. Hmm, maybe we ought to give it a try.

Note one big difference in your analogy. The Left has freely mingled with and profited from the Babs association. The Right couldn't have more quickly or vehemently condemned McVeigh.

Good stuff. nm.No_sprint
Jun 9, 2003 11:50 AM
if mcveigh was worth millions...rufus
Jun 9, 2003 3:43 PM
and gave millions to the repubs, they'd probably have sung a different tune. ken lay, anyone?
When did the Right condemn McVeigh?czardonic
Jun 9, 2003 4:18 PM
The last I heard, they were still cozying up to the nutty anti-government fringes that spawned him. Call it a case of hating the sinner, but loving the sin.
who put him to death? nmDougSloan
Jun 9, 2003 7:51 PM
The evil Federal Government. nmczardonic
Jun 10, 2003 10:05 AM
now THERE is tax money well spentDougSloan
Jun 10, 2003 10:09 AM
... even if I'm against the death penalty. If anyone ever qualified, though, he certainly did.

really trivial pursuitmohair_chair
Jun 9, 2003 10:59 AM
Just to the right of her estate, 100-200 yards, is Paradise Cove, where Private Investigator Jim Rockford lived in his trailer. Imagine that, Jim Rockford and Barbra Streisand, neighbors!

(Please don't let me be the only one here who was alive and/or watched TV during the 1970s...)
Rockford = Great show. nmOldEdScott
Jun 9, 2003 11:03 AM
Right here....Brooks
Jun 9, 2003 3:56 PM,234,0,468,0,34.004500,118.786167,360,180,119,169

I loved Rockford..couldn't stand Angel, though.
I thought you said "more anti-free speach from the "Left"Spoiler
Jun 10, 2003 8:05 PM
In this example, we have a celebrity trying to control her image and asserting what she feels are her rights to privacy.

Does she represent the "Left" in this situation?

Define the "Left."

I'm sure representatives from the "Right" would defend their privacy rights if this happened to them. They'd likely claim HomeLand Security rights.
Doug, you're scaring meretro
Jun 13, 2003 8:52 AM
Maybe it's the legal training, but your ability to pick and choose and skew, and to ignore everything that doesn't support your wild-eyed libertarianism, is genuinely frightening.
I think you and Spoiler ...Live Steam
Jun 13, 2003 9:00 AM
are missing the point. Babs is a save the whales liberal. The photographs in question are not being used commercially. They are being provided at someone elses great expense in order to help preserve errosion of the coastal beach front her gazillion dollar mansion sits on. Quite hypocritical and selfish if you think about it.