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No more heroes..(11 posts)

No more heroes..TNSquared
Jun 4, 2003 8:58 AM
Just read about Sammy Sosa begin ejected from a game for using a corked bat. How many of his home runs did he get by cheating this way?

Soon, I will have no heroes left.

Sheeesh, what's next? We discover Tiger Woods uses radio controlled golf balls for putting?
what was so heroic?mohair_chair
Jun 4, 2003 9:18 AM
Just curious. What did Sammy Sosa ever do to become a hero? Being a good home run hitter doesn't qualify in my book.

Isn't it entirely possible that he got zero home runs from using a corked bat?
HeroesTNSquared
Jun 4, 2003 9:34 AM
Ok, maybe hero is strong. I just like to see people who seem to be genuinely good folk succeed. Sammy Sosa is not a big hero for me personally, but he clearly is to alot of young kids who dream of playing baseball someday, and he seems to be a good guy.

Of course, what we think we know about him or any celebrity is only know what he/and or the press want us to know, but even the effot to project a positive image, whether contrived or not, counts for something in my book. I'd rather my son see how Sammy Sosa conducts himself on national TV than say, Rasheed Wallace. To me, thats what makes sports figures like Sosa a hero, not the home runs.

Now, that image may be in jeopardy. Does it mean his other home runs weren't legit? Of course not. Does it mean they all come into question? Absolutely.

Sosa claims that he picked up a practice bat by mistake, and would never intentionally use an illegal bat in a game. I'd like to believe it. I hope it proves true. But he has a tough row to hoe on this one. And if he doesn't clear himself, alot of kids then may lose a role model. On the other hand, the may learn that using a corked bat is not only ok, but necessary to succeed. Same justification used in all kinds of sports for doping and other types of cheating.
Heroesmohair_chair
Jun 4, 2003 10:02 AM
It's just a pet peeve of mine, the overuse of the word "hero." I'm sure Sosa is a good guy and does good things, but to me, heroes are people who put their lives on the line for others. Nothing Sosa does, inside or outside baseball, qualifies.

I'm sure some will forever question Sosa's accomplishments because of this incident. But what if he hits 50 more home runs this year with a verifiable uncorked bat? Would that restore his credibility, or is it forever lost? I would think that if he accepts his penalty and admits he was wrong, then goes on to have a great season, not too many kids who idolize him will find someone else. Chalk it up to a life lesson learned: people screw up, idols are fallible. Kids have to learn that sometime.
That's an interesting pet peeve...TJeanloz
Jun 4, 2003 10:10 AM
I think you've redefined the word to include only those who risk their own lives to help others. While that would certainly qualify one as a 'hero', I think the bar in general is lower than a life or death threshold.
my bar is highermohair_chair
Jun 4, 2003 10:42 AM
I didn't say "risk their lives." I said put their lives on the line. That certainly means risking death, but I also believe it means risking their livelihood standing up for what is right. Are you willing to risk your fortune to save Jews during WWII, for instance. Some were, and that is heroic in my mind.
Is contributing a significant portion of your wealth...TJeanloz
Jun 4, 2003 10:56 AM
Isn't contributing significant dollar figures, and percentages of your salary, to those less well-off than you risking your "livelihood"?
Where's the risk?mohair_chair
Jun 4, 2003 11:12 AM
Presumably, the percentage is low enough that it can be considered disposable income. Besides, if you run into money troubles, you can always stop giving it away.

I think it's great that someone like Sosa does this. I applaud him for it, and I wish I could be as generous, but I don't find it heroic. Look at it this way. He makes $7 million a year, from what I recall. If he gives $1 million away, that sounds like a huge number, but it's only 14% of his income. Lots of people all over this country give away 10% or more of their income to churches and charities, and few of them ever earn the title "hero."
Agree on both pointsTNSquared
Jun 4, 2003 10:22 AM
There is a big difference in sports heroes and what I would call life heroes. Unfortunately, though, much of our culture places too much emphasis on the former.

Sosa, though, seems to me to be a bit of both, as evidenced in the post by tjealnoz. Not that he's not putting his life in jeopardy, but he's darn sure doing alot to improve the lives of others.

And how Sosa handles himself through this, as you suggest, could actually further demonstrate to kids how to "do the right thing" by accepting responsibility and consequences for your mistakes. However, parents have to sell that idea, too. Kids won't learn it just from watching it on TV.
How about contributing millions to hurricane relief?TJeanloz
Jun 4, 2003 9:37 AM
I can think of a few good things Sosa has done:

Contributed millions to the people of the Dominican Republic after Hurricane George in 1998.

Established a free health clinic in San Pedro.

Lobbied others to aid the hurricane relief cause, to the tune of several more million $.

I'd say that's a little more important that hitting home runs - but they're the means to the ends.
Yep...sounds like hero stuff to meTNSquared
Jun 4, 2003 9:46 AM
Thanks for the info. I was aware that Sosa is very active in different charity/community service efforts. I just didn't know any specific details or the extent, which is clearly substantial. (I live in the Memphis, and we don't get too much Sosa news beyond the home runs.)

Again, that is why I say he is good folk. Make that great folk. I just hate that this happened, especially if it was just a mistake.