|are you superstitious?||DougSloan|
May 28, 2003 6:20 AM
|I like to think of myself as a reasonable, scientifically oriented person. I always have. I was shocked when my cross country coach in high school pointed out that I was actually superstitious; almost felt like my whole world view was challenged. I guess I was always tying my shoes a certain way, eating certain things, warming up just the same ways each time, and felt out of whack if things weren't done the same each time.
Anyway, I chalked it up to being more "anal" than superstitious, but I have realized that I am. For example, I guess the following really are nothing but superstitions:
-If you talk about a tire being highly flat resistant, you will get a flat the next time you ride.
-Same thing for any other component -- it seems that if you praise something too glowingly, you are destined for a problem.
-Driving without insurance *will* cause an accident. I firmly believe that.
-If you leave a relationship for a certain reason, next time around someone will leave you for the same reason.
-If I really challenge someone's claim to some physical or emotional injury, I will become afflicted with some form of the same thing. Really happened in a TMJ case I had.
-Karma? Yes, I hope there is. The driver who swerves and forces you off the road must be destined to later swerve off the road and hit a tree.
The flat tire thing is real. Happened many times to me. There is no explanation for this but superstition/karma.
Anyone *not* superstitious at all?
|no (knock on wood) nm||JS Haiku Shop|
May 28, 2003 6:30 AM
|I wonder if it is more power of suggestion, rather than||RhodyRider|
May 28, 2003 8:50 AM
|actual mystical destiny (i.e. superstitions coming true)? Like horoscopes: people who read them often seen to do a self-fulfilling thing, or they go way out on a limb to link reality with a prediction, but really, the average horoscope is such a bunch of nonsense.
But having typed this (sorry), I confess to being superstitious. Or mildly OCD, not sure which....!
|no, but karmic tithing seems to help...||PdxMark|
May 28, 2003 9:02 AM
|Keeping karma on your side with little common sense approaches like not mentioning how failure-free anything is, leaving time in parking meters, being nice to strangers, acknowledging good fortune for its fickleness...|
|Very true. I'd also add saying "please" and "thankyou." nm||sn69|
May 28, 2003 9:13 AM
|At some level...||Jon Billheimer|
May 28, 2003 1:10 PM
|...I think almost everyone is superstitious. It seems to be a near-universal intuition. However, since the mechanism linking thought to event isn't clear and since no one can point to a one-to-one "karmic" cause and effect what seems to be true and innately just can probably never be demonstrated.
That having been said, I believe that one gets back by and large what one puts out. Doug's thing about fidelity and relationships is a big one for me. Ditto for applying the Golden Rule in business.
|To pontificate (just a wee bit), I'd say that||sn69|
May 28, 2003 4:00 PM
|I'm not particularly supersticious in the sense that I feel that supernatural forces are at work. For that matter, I don't feel that God takes an active role in our lives. Rather, I subscribe to the Jeffersonian "Great Clock Maker" theory, stating that God is a master craftsman who sits back and observes. ...Well, somewhere between that and the ancient Jewish (post Angry Anodai) philosophy that God is aware of each of us inasmuch as we are of the individual cells within our bodies--each its own lifeform but each also vitally important to the synergistic well-being of the larger entity.
OK, yes I'm sober; no I'm not munchin' shrooms. That said, however, I do tend to believe that things happen for a reason. Some of those are self-induced, be they conscious choice or actions driven by the subconsious; nonetheless, the events occur for a purpose. To that end, I often think of my buddy Fuzzy (callsign). Fuzzy was a terrific, giving person and a helluva combat SAR pilot. Four days before he was to leave the Navy and on his final flight, he launched from NAS Fallon, NV on a winter SAR mission to try to help find a civilian who had presumably crashed a Piper Seneca in the Eastern Sierra. While conducting a contour crawl search at approx. 10K feet, Fuzzy rounded a spur on Grant Mountain and entered the clouds. Before he had time to turn away, he impacted and was killed (as was one of his two crewmen; the other and the copilot survived). Fuzzy's selfless devotion to the concept "that others may live" was evident, but what was spooky was that he was his wife's second husband. Her first had also been a pilot at Fallon, and he too lost his life up there.
Things happen for a reason. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. Ultimately, it's up to us to determine the courses of action(s) that set in motion the sequence of events that cause those things to happen. My first spouse was unfaithfull and split while I was on deployment. End of story, or so it would seem. In stead of wallowing in self-pity or anger, I sought interaction with others and eventually met, fell in love with, and married my WIFE.
Things happen for a reason. (And "please" and "thank you" are very important in an angry world.)
Czar is now shaking his head thinking "I KNEW this guy was wacked...."
|To pontificate (just a wee bit), I'd say that||Jon Billheimer|
May 28, 2003 8:00 PM
|Well, the clockmaker god is only slightly less morally repugnant than the Greek "playmaker" god. The idea of an omniscient creator either creating or permitting evil, either to observe or to interact with, creates some pretty knotty philosophical problems.
For my money the idea that we're participant-observers in some sort of cosmic body which in our usual muddle we like to call god is a little more appealing. But it still doesn't clarify what all these supposed purposes are. Nevertheless, Scott, I'm with you. I choose my "superstition" and anomalous faith if, for no other reason, than that it makes me feel better most days. Sometimes after the fact we can discern--or invent--a purpose in an act of antecedent teleology:)- Most of the time we can't. What the hell, for instance, is the purpose behind millions of innocent people suffering and dying for god-knows-what-kinds of reasons. Take your pick: the Holocaust; the slaughter of innocent Iraqi civilians recently? It's all pretty absurd and doesn't do a hell of a lot to bolster my shaky, pedestrian faith. (Sh---t, now I'm getting all depressed)
|Funny story about that....||sctri|
May 28, 2003 1:58 PM
|Two friends of mine (woman and her husband) were in europe (england actually) and had spent the better part of the day in at some exibit. When they emerged it was almost dinner time and they were starving, so they looked arround to eat, but all they saw was a fish and chips stand.
So they decide that they will split an order of fish and chips as its quite expenisive thanks to all the tourist dollars floating arround.
So they get in line and watch the woman ahead of them...
woman: "2 orders of fish and chips"
Man at the till to the cook: "2 orders of fish and chips"
She pays, and recieves two orders of two small peices of fish on small portions of fries.
Up steps my friends husband: "one order of fish and chips please"
Man at the till to the cook: "one order of fish and chips PLEASE"
And they pay, and recieve 2 massive peices of fish on an over flowing basket of fries.... (they hardly finshed apparently!)
Just goes to show...
Sometimes those little guestures go a long way.
|re: are you superstitious?||Spoiler|
May 28, 2003 1:02 PM
|The tire thing too spooky to comment on.
If you post a reply to a saddle sore question, you will get a saddle sore on the next ride.
I've safely spoken out about car/bike accidents without getting hit the next day. I've been hit three times and looking back, I can't think of a "karma" reason for it. I hadn't lied, stole, or peeped into a girls shower the day before. It just happened.
I never got superstitious about a race. I just followed a routine that felt comfortable and directly prepared me for the race. No dressing rituals or lucky water bottles.
What's interesting is how we can project out own karma equasion onto other people outside ourselves. For instance if we are routing for a certain team or person to win an event, we go through superstitions. For all we know, the players may have a load of bad direct participant karma/luck that negates our own outside observer good karma/luck.
|Not at all, unless...||Kristin|
May 28, 2003 2:30 PM
|Riding without a helmet, which will cause you to crash and bang your head.
The one time you forget to turn off the coffee pot, you will have a house fire.
Never mention that your work load is slow in the office. You will be slammed with weeks of overload.
Oh and its a very bad sign to land on your own hoteled property while playing Monopoly. It garentees your opponents will skip over them and never pay rent for at least 2 rounds.
|re: are you superstitious?||purplepaul|
May 28, 2003 4:43 PM
|As rational and grounded in reality as I try to be I must ashamedly admit to being superstitious. No, I don't believe that tires spontaneously go flat, or that wishing cancer on somebody will cause it in myself.
Rather, when I was learning to trade it was very difficult to exercise the level of discipline necessary. So, I'd bow to my emotions regularly. After enough times of buying and having the market tank and selling and have the market rally, I swore that it must somehow know what I'm going to do and then always do the opposite. I came to really believe that no matter what I decided to do, the market would know and take my money.
Well, years later I now follow my charts blindly. So many times I feel that the chart is steering me wrong. But I follow it anyway. And what I've observed is that the market does whatever it wants regardless of what I do. I've won enough to realize that the market is not out to get me.
Because I succumbed in the past the question remains in the back of my mind if I might have other superstitions that can't be so clearly disproven.
|I don't think so||mickey-mac|
May 28, 2003 8:35 PM
|I may have some minor subconscious quirks. However, I don't get worked up about things and don't stick with goofy non-substantive things that "seem to work." I step on cracks, walk under ladders, talk regularly about how I don't get sick or injured, am not afraid to use the word flat, and don't fear of particular numbers. It all freaks my wife out a bit.|
|Not unless you count crossing my fingers when I check...||The Walrus|
May 28, 2003 8:59 PM
|...the Lotto results, and since that's certainly not working for me, I don't count it.|
|Superstitions and sports go hand in hand||filtersweep|
May 29, 2003 5:34 AM
|I am not superstitious in my professional life at all- and I think it is often LESS about superstitions and more about RITUAL behavior that is tied to our own "normal" levels of obsessive-compulsive behaviors.
We have relatively few abstract rituals- most rituals today are very pragmatic (getting ready for work rather than for the pagan ceremony tonight- unless you consider getting ready to head out to the clubs to be pagan ceremonies?).
Science has explained away the great mysteries of life (where the sun sleeps at night, where babies or frogs come from, etc). We don't need superstitions to assuage our anxiety from all sorts of daily events that remain mysteries- however mysteries DO remain. There are certainly enough random forces in our lives to leave plenty of room for the comfort of superstitions-
Life also has a ton of built in Karma. If someone is a complete a$$hole, it is likely they won't be surrounded by caring, quality friends. He/she will reap what they sow.
BTW- I definitely have shoe and glove rituals... I'm normal, right? Right??