|Jessica Lynch story faked?||ColnagoFE|
May 16, 2003 7:47 AM
First NASA faked the moon landing...now this! Shocking.
|re: Jessica Lynch story faked?||Alpedhuez55|
May 16, 2003 8:17 AM
|I think the this is more an overzealous media than anything being faked. The initial reports were wrong. Most of the media ran off of reports from one of the Washington Papers, either the Post or Times, that had greatly exagerated her injuries and heroics. I do not know how true the story of the Nurse's husband walking 6 miles to the hospital three times is either.
Even if the intelligence reported that the Iraqi Military fled the day before, it is only common sense to go in with guns and assume the worst. Intelligence can be wrong and there still could have been straglers left. Better safe than sorry!!!
The fact is she was rescued. THe level of resistance is the only thing that there is some debate over.
|what is the story?||mohair_chair|
May 16, 2003 9:51 AM
|The US military has given out almost no information on what happened to Lynch and her subsequent rescue. So her "story" as reported is about 90% rumor and conjecture. If the story is faked, blame the media. It's not like anyone in the media, such as the New York Times, ever makes up stories, right?|
|re: Jessica Lynch story faked?||pdg60|
May 16, 2003 11:31 AM
|Who's Jessica Lynch? (nm)|
|Just another attempt by the leftist media...||Matno|
May 16, 2003 12:06 PM
|...to justify and even glorify the use of women as soldiers. It's a stupid idea, and there's no need for it whatsoever. I also think it's weird for people to join the military solely to pay for their education (like Pvt. Lynch did). What happened to patriotism?
Anyone remember the study that showed that in physical fitness testing in America, the top 7% of women are roughly equivalent to the bottom 7% of men? That means that ~93% of women can't compete with ANY men in performing physical duties. That's just who I would want to trust my life to in battle...not.
|Better watch it here Manto ...||Live Steam|
May 16, 2003 12:11 PM
|this crowd plays rough. They may dub you the Archie Bunker Dittohead of RBR, ahead of me :O)|
|We in the leftist media have a rule...||cory|
May 16, 2003 1:46 PM
|...that if you say something, you have to cite a source. You can't just toss stuff out there and expect people to believe it.
Give us an example of the leftist media "glorifying" women as soldiers. Tell us where you got your stats for fitness testing. I've been involved with fitness testing for women firefighters, and you're WAY off base for them. There are some issues related to their size, but the fit ones compete well with men their size (you can make an argument that there shouldn't be any 120-pound firefighters, but not that the 120-pound women can't stay with the 120-pound men).
Shoot, give us an example of patriotism. The military uses its benefits, specifically its willingness to pay for college, as a recruiting tool. It's not fair to criticize people for taking advantage of it. Unless you back this stuff with facts, you're just blowing smoke.
May 17, 2003 4:27 PM
|Mostly that's exactly what they do ("toss stuff out there and expect people to believe it").
You're kidding about the women vs. men fitness thing right? "Compete well"?! No way. Pound for pound comparisons put men WAY ahead of women. Based purely on body fat percentages, a 120 lb man has more muscle than a 120 lb woman. On top of that, male muscle tissue is generally constructed of stronger fibers. Lean muscle mass just isn't the same between the sexes. You show me a woman of my weight who could even come close to defending herself (against me) in a physical fight, and I would be VERY surprised. It just doesn't work that way.
I'll see if I can find the numbers. They came from a US military study about 10 years ago, but I don't remember where.
|Hey Matno, take some time to educate yourself!||mtber|
May 19, 2003 9:44 AM
|Maybe start here:
No one will argue that most men will perform considerably better than most women, but "the top 7% of women are roughly equivalent to the bottom 7% of men"????? Are you f'ing crazy?
Geanevieve Jeanson (sp?) roughly equivalent to the bottom 7% of men? She would CRUSH you in a bike race. CRUSH you dude.
|7% is a lot of people.||Matno|
May 20, 2003 7:54 AM
|And doesn't include the "outliers" like professional athletes (who make up far less than 1%). Remember, I didn't do the research that came up with the 7% figure, the US military did.
As for getting crushed, I have no doubt that she could crush ME. I'm no pro. (I'm a skinny wimp, in fact. No racer by a long shot). However, to be fair, I also highly doubt that she could beat me if I trained as much as she does. For that matter, I can't think of a single professional sport in which the top women even come close to competing with the top men. If they did, we wouldn't have a need for separate professional teams. As it is, there simply is no comparison. I'd be willing to bet that a team composed of the worst players in the NBA could still beat a team of the best players in the WNBA by a significant margin. Heck, I'll bet that just about any college men's team could beat any team in the WNBA...
As for education...I think I've got that one fairly well covered...
|GJ has TT times in the top 10 pro,1,2 men (nm)||mtber|
May 21, 2003 8:10 AM
|You're still just talking about one person||Matno|
May 22, 2003 10:16 AM
|who happens to be a freak of nature (in a good way for her chosen profession).
However, I think you're just a little bit off with the numbers. At the Sea Otter last month... "Genevieve Jeanson rode a 54x11 and Nathan O'Neill a 55x11 in their winning rides. Jeanson's time would have put her 46th among the men and only 1:30 out of the top 10." That puts her at about 4 1/2 minutes behind first place in the men - an incredible accomplishment for anyone, especially a woman.
|I told ya' , I told ya' ! See ...||Live Steam|
May 16, 2003 2:40 PM
|Cory wants you to cite references just like Jason Blair did in his reporting :O) Oops, he worked for that pillar of righteousness and unbiased reporting, the New York Times :O)|
|Tonight's 6 o'clock News||Jon Billheimer|
May 16, 2003 5:14 PM
|The Jessica Lynch item was on. According to the Global News Network (a right wing Canadian outfit, btw) the story was broken by the BBC. They report that hospital staff that were interviewed said they attempted to deliver Lynch by ambulance to the Americans but were fired upon; that there were no Iraqi troops in the area or the hospital. The BBC also reports that American special forces were firing blanks at nonexistent targets. Hospital personnel also reportedly denied that Lynch suffered from any gunshot wound. So far the Pentagon isn't saying much and Lynch is reporting amnesia.|| |