|Recommend a good lightweight handgun please?||filtersweep|
Apr 29, 2003 4:33 PM
|Now that MN has joined the "conceal and carry" states (much to the shock of almost everyone EXCEPT the "compassionate Republicans" in the state house, senate, and gov mansion- I mean the dems and all religious groups and everyone I know that even lives NEAR a city were opposed to it- AND it was passed through parliamentary trickery... but alas, those preceeding remarks may appear perjorative.
Anyway, I am mentally sound enough and can pass the background check, so I'm thinking I need a little extra "protection" for dealing with cars that cut it a little close- I mean, isnt' a car that deliberately buzzes you akin to assault with a deadly weapon? Might it not be easier to identify the offenders if you can just tell the officer, look for the car with three bullet holes in the trunk lid? Might it not deter future hooliganism by the local suburban miscreants if they needed to dodge a few bullets after we need to swerve to avoid objects thrown from vehicles?
Why else would they have passed such legislation if it is not to protect us from similar perceived threats? Conceal and carry? I don't need to conceal anything if I'm worried about wild animals attacking me ;) It is all about concealing weapons from PEOPLE- ostensibly for personal protection (the type a helmet just can't offer).
The only time I feel "exposed to risk" is riding on the road... might as well ride "packin' "- my own satirical nature aside, what are your thoughts? I'm not suggesting that it is worth taking a life if a pickup truck swerves as close as possible without hitting me while honking his horn, but don't tell me I'm the only one with violent fantasies following such encounters. Now those fantasies can become reality....;)
This news on a day when a road rage fatality makes the front page locally...
|re: Recommend a good lightweight handgun please?||CARBON110|
Apr 29, 2003 7:06 PM
|ahahah well go ahead if you don't mind serving a little time. LOL...my point is that I don't think any argument is going to persuade a jury it was ok for you to use a hand gun in defence UNLESS the person behind the wheel turns out to actually try and kill you. Now in some cases home owners who have used "too many bullets" on someone coming into their home that they actually end up defending themselves from the crook and the law. The Law is a sketchy thing in some areas and best to be avoided. This coming from someone who was nailed by a car 3 weeks ago and has 3 broken bones. The woman who hit me refused to call 911 and didnt leave her car to help me as I lay ther ein the road. I would have loved to repay her for that however at the time I could'nt walk and now I have a great lawyer to take care of it for me.
In anycase, I think its a bad idea. Life is a contact sport and a gun isnt going to provide alot of assistance in most cases, especially when your on a bike. If there are places you worry about being victimized then avoid them. Go with groups when you can and be smart about where you ride and what time of day you ride. Also, there are guys and girls out there riding ten times the hours you are and have no problems at all. I understand the want to carry one, I have several but best to avoid inviting the option at all....mace or pepper spray is good though for dogs,cars,rednecks, etc Besides you don't want to have to explain why you have a Walther 380 in your back pocket...you'll start to loose riding partners fast
Apr 30, 2003 4:21 AM
|First off- I'm being completely satirical- none of us need guns in the city- they serve only one purpose- and that is to be used against people. Of course, these same people are all ironically enough the "pro-lifers" that tacked on some bizarre anti-abortion amendments to a CIRCUS BILL... (seriously, folks).
I do find it difficult to believe that one can ride ten times the hours that I do (in the first place... there would be no time left for work, family, etc...) in a metro area and NOT ever be harrassed while on a bike- but that is a mere detail.
Getting back to your situation- which is horrible- but you were essentially assaulted. I can handle the concept of an "accident," but to be struck by someone who refuses to offer assistance appears to be malevolent and assaultive. However I realize that the law doesn't always regard it that way- that even if she DELIBERATELY hit you, she would receive virtually no consequences compared to if she was taking pot shots at you with a rifle... or a handgun.... that "violence" committed while driving vehicles is virtually decriminalized. That is the basic point that I am making- no cycling is not THAT dangerous, but when you know someone deliberately is playing dangerous games with you, or through sheer ignorance causes an accident, it truly is infuriating.
We can easily pass a conceal and carry law, but nobody, and I mean NOBODY around here even seems to understand a CROSSWALK, and relative few understand that bikes can legally use the roads. These same people will all be carrying guns quite soon...
|Sorry to hear you were hit by a car||carnageasada|
Apr 30, 2003 9:04 AM
|I can't believe a woman refused to call 911. There must be more to the story. I peddle around WNC from time to time. You're from that area aren't you? What road were you hit on, if you don't mind my asking?|
|Remember that the gun must be sweat-water proof nm||Bruno S|
Apr 24, 2003 10:59 AM
Apr 29, 2003 7:50 PM
|Stopping power is more important than weight||lav25|
Apr 30, 2003 4:26 AM
|I am thinking S&W Shorty Forty. However, even a skilled 5x pistol expert like myself would not suggest carrying, at any time. It will only bring out the worst of the situation. You would not be able to anything while on a bike, and after 50 ft, forget it.|
|Stopping power is more important than weight||sn69|
Apr 30, 2003 4:48 AM
|Osprey news you might find somewhat interesting:
I saw a bunch of these sitting idle at MCAS New River a couple weeks ago. This doesn't bode well for the Corps, although I've been suspect of this critter since the Arizona crash a few years back. Any rotary-winged aircraft that enters vortex ring state at descent rates around 600 fpm are essentially useless for combat insertions.
In any case, last week I got to see some of Sikorsky's propaganda on their S-92--one of the helos poised to step in once Congress and SecNav finally admit defeat with Osprey. It looks like a capable beast, but without in-flight refueling it won't have the self-deployment capability that the Corps has been seeking.
|50 feet?! Are you joking?||Matno|
Apr 30, 2003 6:41 AM
|I've hit running jackrabbits at twice that distance many times. (With a stock Sig Sauer 226, no less). 50 feet is barely even medium range. Now 50 yards, that's where things start to get a little more difficult for the average shooter.
Not that I would advocate shooting at a car fleeing the scene of a hit and run. Shooting at someone who's getting away is rarely even defensible for cops, and never for "ordinary citizens."
Plus, the chances of having a problem requiring a handgun while riding on public roads during the daytime are slim enough that most people wouldn't find the extra weight worth the effort...
|How about none?...||asphalt assault|
Apr 30, 2003 4:59 AM
|...I live in Indiana which is also a conceal and carry state. I choose not to carry because I make it a point to stay out of areas where I think I'd need a gun and anyway, what good is a weapon if you can't pull it and blast sombody? All that you have to do is pull your gun and show it to someone (conflict situation) and you'v got a legal problem. I live very close to the Illinois state line and if I cross over, I'v comitted a class x felony.
I hold an Indiana carry permit and I have a respectable collection of firearms. They're kept unloaded and in a safe in my home (not in the nightstand). When transporting they're either behind the seat of my truck or in the trunk of my car, I see no reason to strap one to my waist if I don't plan to shoot it.
Anyway, to answer your question. A Glock 9x19C is a nice carry piece. It's compact and at just under 600 grams, won't weigh you down.
|I'm with you.||bnlkid|
Apr 30, 2003 5:04 AM
|I don't know how this law was passed. There isn't a single person at work that thinks this is a good law. I saw estimate that may be an additional 50,000 guns now that this law was passed. I guess statistic aren't important to law makers. With this many additional guns, family members with a gun in the house are at an even greater risk of being shot than those without guns.
Maybe the bear population in northern Minnesota is migrating south so people need the extra protection.
|I guess it is not a joking matter, either ;) -nm||filtersweep|
Apr 30, 2003 5:13 AM
|Can you see the real problem?||53T|
May 1, 2003 11:12 AM
|It is only natural to assume that your lawmakers and those in the other 40 or so states without carry prohibitions are really out of step with the mainstream. Of course is is equally likely that you and you coworkers (the subset that you hang with) are out of step with the rest of the nation.
One effect of carrying a gun is it changes you perspective on which fights are worth having. Many times on this forum I read about riders approaching reckless drivers to talk to them. A rider with a gun would never do such a thing. Useless conflicts are always avoided when carrying. The stakes are too high.
That said, The Walther .380 PPK that a poster joked about is not a bad choice in Stainless Steel. Kahr Arms in Worcester Mass makes a compact 9mm that is very carryable. S&W has a Ti revolver that is light and corrosion resistant (and absorbes road shock without being noodly). The compact Glocks are also good choices in 9mm due to their polymer frames.
Statistics like the garbage number you throw out (50,000 more guns) do not, and should not, effect the legislative process. Where did these extra guns come from? Who will buy them? Folks that were waiting for the law to change? Why do you fear people who act based upon laws? Fear those that act without regard to the law.
You should proof read your posts and edit out anything that starts with "I saw and estimate that there may be..."
|a better idea||mohair_chair|
Apr 30, 2003 7:00 AM
|If you really want to be safe, mount a 50-caliber on a trailer and pull it down the road. No one will mess with you, and if they do, you can put a warning shot through their engine block. Sure, it's a little extra weight, but what price safety?|
|Glock 26, lighter than my S&W 908. nm||No_sprint|
Apr 30, 2003 8:18 AM
|re: By packing your just escalating the antie||jrm|
Apr 30, 2003 1:27 PM
|of whos going to back down first till your both dead on the street. No bike, wallet or clothes i own are worth my life. Ifthey want it give it to um.|
|the one pointing the gun can easily de-escalate things too. nm||eschelon|
May 2, 2003 10:01 AM
|Ruger GP 100...nm||Softrider|
Apr 30, 2003 1:58 PM