's Forum Archives - Non-Cycling Discussions

Archive Home >> Non-Cycling Discussions(1 2 3 4 )

A question about Hillary...(24 posts)

A question about Hillary...ClydeTri
Apr 29, 2003 4:53 AM
Her new book, which is billed as a comphrensive look at their years in the White House, contains ZERO mention of Monica. Is this not ridiculous? MOnica and all the associated goings ons with Bill's girlfriends and testimony ended up in him being impeached (albeit not convicted). How could any intelligent person write memoirs of 8 years of being the First Lady and totally ignore the situation? Do some people really believe if you just ignore reality and history it will go away?
Another thing she won't mention.jesse1
Apr 29, 2003 5:08 AM
Is that when she wore her gray pin stripe suit, she was mistaken for Ted Kennedy from behind!
re: A question about Hillary...Alpedhuez55
Apr 29, 2003 5:37 AM
I guess it is going to be called "Living History. I think a better title would have been "It Takes a Spillage" ;-)

I would find it hard to beleive whe would not mention Monica at all. If she ignores the impeachment completely her book wil be subject to a lot of ridicule. Maybe she still thinks that it is the fault of the vast right wind conspiracy and will blame them!!!

It must irk her to no end that Monica is hosting that reality show. It is a reminder to the country of the Clinton Administration. THe things that her husband will be most remembered for are the things she would most like to forget.

Mike Y.
what could she say?mohair_chair
Apr 29, 2003 6:22 AM
Hilary was a bystander to the Monica thing, not an active participant. I'm sure she had strong feelings about it, but do you have any doubt what those feelings were? Does she really have to write it down for you?

Why would she want to 1) air dirty laundry, since she is still married to Bill and 2) revive a nasty situation that everyone seems to be over by now?
Apr 29, 2003 6:33 AM
Any legitimate "history" or memoirs of the Clinton Adminstration has to address that situation, just as any legit history or memoirs of the Nixon Administration has to address Watergate.
I kind of agree with Clyde. Eeks!Kristin
Apr 29, 2003 11:03 AM
That's a scary thought. But honestly. She wrote her "memiors" and if she leaves out important chunks of her experiences and circumstances that occured along the way, then at the very best, the book is inauthentic. In my opinion, a dishonest (or not fully truthful) auto-biography is not worth much.

Personally, I am interested in her thoughts on this topic. As I watched the whole scandle unfold, I often wondered what her real thoughts and feelings were. I realize that the First Lady must carry herself well and not appear frazzled. Indeed, she was groomed for such a role. But was she wounded? Did she care? Is her marraige only political and so it didn't affect her one way or the other? If so, how does she cope inside a loveless marraige? Or does she have feelings for Bill? Are they working through it, and seeking to heal their marraige? If she wrote her real feelings and thoughts about these difficult parts of her life I'd read it in a heart beat. The fact that she completely skips over them gives me the impression that the book is only half-hearted. I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing. Its only been a few years and it can take many, many years to resolve infidelity issues. Perhaps she's in denial, or simply doesn't know how she feels about it yet. That's okay. But I'll wait for the sequel.
Why is agreeing with me....ClydeTri
Apr 29, 2003 11:20 AM
such a bad thing? I am a college educated person working in a professional field who is socially conscious, never miss voting, contribute both financially and with time to multiple charities, dont abuse alcohol, never done drugs, dont kick dogs, was a Boy Scout, enjoy baseball and hot dogs, been known to go fishing, respect my elders and respect women. I am conservative and have a strong belief that people should be held accountable for their actions. People are responsible for what they do, not society, and while things in society may be a reason they do things, it is not an excuse.

In reality, as with most autobiographies of famous people, Hillary probably had very little to do with writing it. However, I would venture she would hold veto rights and could easily request changes.
Sorry, I didn't mean to insult youKristin
Apr 29, 2003 11:26 AM
Its not a bad thing that I agreed with you. But we see differently on so many topics that I was surprised to find myself agreeing with you.
what could she say?Alpedhuez55
Apr 29, 2003 6:42 AM
The problem is, it is too big a subject to ignore. It will be interesting to see how much mention it gets. But she cannot simply ignore the single biggest event of their 8 years in the Whitehouse. Even a couple of pages just mentioning it would be sufficient.

I also do not think she can be called a bystander. Remember she was the one coming out in the early days saying it was the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. If Monica did not keep that dress, I am sure she would still be claiming it.

Mike Y.
it would never be enoughmohair_chair
Apr 29, 2003 6:56 AM
First of all, there was a right wing conspiracy against the Clintons, organized and funded. That is fact. Some of the participants have come clean in the past few years, and it has been detailed in newspapers and magazines. How vast it was is open for debate.

Second, Hilary isn't retired and she's not out of the business. She is an active Senator. She's also trying to create her own identity separate from her husband. Why revive an incident that can only hurt her image and cause her embarassment? Only an idiot would go out of their way to do that, and Hilary is no idiot.

Someday she can tell what she thinks about Bill's screwups, but it's not going to be anytime soon. Quite frankly, the people complaining the loudest about the "missing" history probably wouldn't be satisfied with whatever she would write anyway.
Apr 29, 2003 7:04 AM
then she shouldnt have accepted the millions to write the book now....wait to write it when she is willing to talk..but...the lure of the money......
such a twisted mind!mohair_chair
Apr 29, 2003 7:16 AM
So now you've spun it into the lure of money!!! Amazing.

Was it your money? Did you personally pay Hilary millions and get burned because she left out the only part of the book you wanted to read? Did you establish the ground rules? Were you involved in the contract negotiations?

Give me a break. It's her book, she can write or not write what she wants. I'm not going to read it either way. If someone wants to pay her millions for it, I'm sure they feel they will get their money back and more, even with a comment on Monica.
it would never be enoughAlpedhuez55
Apr 29, 2003 7:14 AM
THere are attack teams on both sides of the isles. I think for the most part they are overrated and are not as vast as people want you to think. Politics is a dirty business. She loudly blamed her husbands shortcomings on the conspiracy and was publicly proven wrong a few months later.

Dan Quayle wrote a chapter on "Potatoe" and another on Murphy Brown in his memoir. He looked like an idiot for devoting about 30 pages to that. I had a better image of him in the chapters leading up to that but those chapters were just silly.

Hillary does not need to do that. She would be stupid to devote too much space to it. She does need to acknowledge it though. And lets hope they leave that silly picture of her and Bill hugging on the beach a couple of days before the Lewinsky Scandal out of the book!!!

Mike Y.
She called it a "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy?" Really? (nm)eyebob
Apr 29, 2003 11:45 AM
Maybe "Right Wing" was her pet name for Bill's Johnson ;-)NMAlpedhuez55
Apr 29, 2003 12:01 PM
it did supposedly have a turn in one direction nmClydeTri
Apr 29, 2003 12:07 PM
who is going to read her book, anyway?DougSloan
Apr 29, 2003 7:31 AM
Now, if she did give her perspective and feelings about the Monica thing, I might actually read it. Otherwise, I trust her views about as much as the (former) Iraqi Information Minister (I can just hear it, "There were no infidel White House interns in the Oral Orifice").
How long will everything be the Clintons' fault?cory
Apr 29, 2003 9:45 AM
Guy's been out of office for more than two years; might be time to let him slip away.
tell it to HillaryDougSloan
Apr 29, 2003 10:06 AM
I think the only point is that Hillary is writing about their term in office, but omitting a significant series of events.

Apr 29, 2003 10:16 AM
could one imagine Nixon writing about his terms and omitting Watergate?
or OJ and ... nmDougSloan
Apr 29, 2003 10:26 AM
not exactlymohair_chair
Apr 29, 2003 10:44 AM
Nixon was an active participant and instigator in Watergate and lost his Presidency because of it.

Hillary had nothing to do with Bill and his lady friends or the trouble they caused.

Where is the comparison?

Whatever insight Hillary may have on what Bill did, her marriage is a private thing between her and her husband. I would no more expect my friends to air their grievances about their spouses publicly, as much as I might want to know. If one did so, I would lose a great deal of respect for that person.

If Hillary wants to reveal private information that the public has no right or need to know, that's fine, but what you think about it is totally irrelevant. You can add that to your long list of reasons to hate Hillary.
not exactlyAlpedhuez55
Apr 29, 2003 11:01 AM
I disagree. She was active in the coverup. It is very safe to assume she knew what was going on and probably could have cared less until it was made public.

Do not think the picture of them smooching on the beach in bathing suits days before the story broke was staged? The whole vast right wing conspiracy statements? She was one of Bill's closest advisors. She is either a willing participant in the events or was completely clueless over what almost everyone else in the White House already knew. I do not think she is clueless.

Ignoring it wont make it go away. It will just get people talking about it when her book comes out.

Mike Y.
Did she say where she hid the billing files? :O)Live Steam
Apr 30, 2003 8:10 PM
Or who actually carried Vince Foster's body out of the Whitehouse? :O)

I am sure there are many "personal" tidbits "missing" from this "living history" LOL :O) I just can't help but laugh and to think about this book as anything but a vainglorious work of fiction just like everything else that emanated from the Whitehouse during the eight glorious years this egotistical duo occupied it. Hey she got her 8 million. I doubt she cares if anyone reads it. I surely doubt that Bubba will actually read it.

Say didn't Newt get slammed for getting $4 million for his book? This should be twice as bad. Nah it's the Clintons.