|Pull out of Saudi Arabia now?||PdxMark|
Apr 21, 2003 4:33 PM
|We went to Saudi Arabia to defend it against Saddam. He's gone. Shouldn't we leave Saudi Arabia now? There are no No-Fly zones now. Has the Saudi government said it wants us there, or are they just not asking us to go? Thoughts?|
|If we left||purplepaul|
Apr 21, 2003 5:59 PM
|the Saudi government would collapse immediately. What they say privately to US diplomats and publicly to their people is often, ah, in conflict.|
|If we left||Jon Billheimer|
Apr 21, 2003 6:10 PM
|There was a background article in the Edmonton Journal on Sunday which mentioned among other things U.S. plans for four permanent bases in Iraq. This would allow the U.S. to pull out of Saudi Arabia, Oman, and Yemen. Way back last fall in the feature article in the Atlanta Constitution which summarized the neo-con foreign policy outlining plans for American middleastern hegemony, that writer also mentioned U.S. plans for a permanent military presence in Iraq which would allow it to pull out of Saudi Arabia while maintaining military clout in the region.|
|*hogwash* see your post above, business, showbiz. nm||No_sprint|
Apr 22, 2003 8:03 AM
|Right on purplepaul||No_sprint|
Apr 22, 2003 7:59 AM
|It has been mentioned in here that the Saudi rulers are more afraid of their own people's uprising and the radical fanatics in their own country and our presence there keeps things peaceful. They'll beg us to stay privately should we consider pulling our troops out.
Furthermore, Rumsfeld was quoted, in person, hard fact, real video, last night, *no plans for long term military presence in Iraq.* Regardless of what rag writers hair brained idiotic ideas are.
|Right on purplepaul||Jon Billheimer|
Apr 22, 2003 8:30 AM
|Nice hyperbole you guys! The original Atlanta Constitution backgrounder quoted neo-con statements and think tank papers with respect to U.S. repositioning itself in the middle east. Policies do change and there's lots of disagreement and debate in the present administration particularly between the State and Defense department types. However time will tell.
BTW, the New York Times article from this weekend and the Atlanta Constitution backgrounder did not, in fact, cater to the usual knee-jerk jingoism which you and a lot of other Americans seem to need to prop up your chauvinistic, ethnocentric egos. (Now I'm engaging in a little hyperbole, but some of the rhetoric that goes on here does get to be a bit much!)
|Right on purplepaul||Alpedhuez55|
Apr 22, 2003 9:11 AM
|I guess you missed Rumsfeld's strong denials of thoses stories over the weekend. I think a base in Iraq would not be such a bad think though. I guess it will depend on how relations go with the new regime.
|Right on purplepaul||No_sprint|
Apr 22, 2003 9:29 AM
|I refuse to argue with them because they cannot accept the fact that most people don't see what they do which explains the fact their that their views are seen as so obscure, even by those like who hate the current administration and won't even touch these outlandish ideas. They have gone to calling names to me for not being a *believer*.
They wildly interpret out of context quotes to mean two guys want to take over the world with our military power. Whereas in reality we do is use our military strength to exert power against horrific mass murderers who make deals with the world that aren't upheld by said dictator, as a last resort, after years of dialogue.
Yes, things change. If the events of Sept. 11 didn't change one's tune on many many many things, well, sensitivity training is in order.
|I guess I don't understand your attack||purplepaul|
Apr 22, 2003 9:23 AM
|since the left screams that the US props up all these unpopular governments. Doesn't it follow that if the US didn't prop up those governments, they would collapse?
Also, it's no secret that what the Saudi gov says to its people is very different from what it negotiates with us. What's chauvinistic and ethnocentric about that?
|Saudius interruptus||Captain Morgan|
Apr 22, 2003 6:29 AM
|Sorry, that was a bad one.
Let's get the heck outta the Middle East. Any region that teaches its children to kill people in religion's name can't be a place where we want to be involved. Let's get the heck outta SK while we're at it.