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"That being said..."filtersweep
Apr 18, 2003 3:37 AM
Who started this "that being said" crap- I see it everywhere on this and every other board, hear it in interviews, at work, everywhere... what is wrong with using the word "however" ?

Who started this expression?

"That being said" is usually used in a pseudo-nice/empathetic manner to AGREE with someone, then turn right around and disagree with them- it makes no sense, it is pretentious, and it is over used and overly trendy.

(end of rant)
Wasn't this a Seinfeld monolouge? (nm)jesse1
Apr 18, 2003 4:13 AM
I agree!bnlkid
Apr 18, 2003 5:00 AM
I wonder if it only annoys us in Minnesota. I am constantly talking with a friend about that. We both think it's ridiculous. However, something that really bothers me is the "I've got" "we've got" crap. Talk about improper English. Everyone, try using "we have" once and see how much better it sounds.
Regional dialects and pondering "warshing" your clothesColnagoFE
Apr 18, 2003 6:42 AM
I grew up in the midwest where they supposedly don't have an accent and they say bizzare stuff like warsh all the time and "Minnesoda"?. Also the use of "I-dear" in the east drives me nuts. THERE IS NO "R" ON THE END OF THE WORD IDEA!. Likewise, Linda should not come out as "Linder".
I seen itMcAndrus
Apr 18, 2003 7:23 AM
Okay, we're all venting about such things, right?

Live in western Michigan for a while. The folks of lesser education (dears though they be) like to say, "I seen it." As in, "You know that new movie? I seen it last night."


Let me count the times I wanted to yell back, "I saw, I saw, I saw!" No don't bother counting. It would take too long. No what I mean?
"You coming with" nmKristin
Apr 18, 2003 7:25 AM
ughh...I almost forgot about that one (nm)ColnagoFE
Apr 18, 2003 10:17 AM
Apr 18, 2003 7:29 AM
Know what I mean? --- not "no what I mean" -- Sheesh.
Can you help me fix the breaks on my rode bike?ColnagoFE
Apr 18, 2003 10:21 AM
I'm out of breathe from trying to stop with my feet! No what I mean? Just thot Id axe y'all y'all here.
You don't need breaks on a rode bike. nmKristin
Apr 18, 2003 11:14 AM
agree and disagreeDougSloan
Apr 18, 2003 5:40 AM
If something is grammatically incorrect, that's one thing. However, a few colorful and variant expressions now and then make the prose a little more interesting, don't they?

"Know what I'm sayin'?"

I see what you're sayin ... drives me nuts (nm)KeeponTrekkin
Apr 18, 2003 5:43 AM
You've GOT to be kidding ;)filtersweep
Apr 18, 2003 5:51 AM
heh heh- "got" ought to be banned from use in polite company-

"colorful and variant expressions"- hmmm... still seems "tired, overused, and trendy"- I reached my limit the other day when my boss used "that being said" and I heard it on NPR three times in one hour.

This combination DID NOT EXIST a few years ago- it is like a teenagey slangy expression, only it is used by people who like to consider themselves well-heeled. "Know what I'm saying'?"
Yes, and how do you feel about...Dwayne Barry
Apr 18, 2003 7:06 AM
the pronunciation of the word "ask" being changed to "axe"? I'm convinced that between the "know what I'm sayin" and "axe" phenomena an entire sociology, linguistic and/or cultural anthropology dissertation could be written.
This may sound HORRENDOUSLY racist, butOldEdScott
Apr 18, 2003 7:47 AM
the pronounciation 'axe' seems just unavoidable in some African-Americans. Maybe it's a physical/structural thing. It's certainly not a sign of ignorance or poor education. I know black PhDs who say it. I asked one particularly brilliant black friend of mine about it, and he said he can't even HEAR the difference, much less say it.
I don't know why that would be racist...Dwayne Barry
Apr 18, 2003 7:59 AM
since there are certainly physical traits that vary by ethnic group. But I've never heard anything about linguistics or pronunciation that weren't culturally based on the language you learned as a child. It's like Japanese people not being able to pronounce "R's", but an ethnically japanese person born and raised here has no problem with it. Or if you or I tried to learn to speak any of those languages of southern Africa that include clicks and such, I'm sure we would never get it right.
I could imagine the "axe" thing could be similar given the separate black/white culture that used to and largely still does exist in the USA, but that wouldn't explain why you hear white kids who grew up in the burbs saying it!
blah, blah, blah ... and y'allPdxMark
Apr 18, 2003 7:37 AM
Where did "blah, blah, blah" come from, as a conversational gap filler denoting that there are additional details that aren't worth mentioning... It's everywhere... around here anyway. Crusty retired newspaper columnist fater-in-law even used it recently... It drives me nuts!

But a clearly plural third person reference, y'all in its original form, or maybe "you all" in its northern form, is maybe the greatest cultural contribution the US South has given us...
My favorite variant of 'you all' isOldEdScott
Apr 18, 2003 7:40 AM
the great Southern plural possessive: Your alls'

As in "When you all come for a visit, remember to bring your alls' bikes."
"Your 'alls" isn't a masculine possessive noun? nmPdxMark
Apr 18, 2003 7:49 AM
That would be 'your boys' " nmOldEdScott
Apr 18, 2003 7:55 AM
Ahh, and the feminie is "the twins"? nmPdxMark
Apr 18, 2003 8:00 AM
Don't laugh, y'all...filtersweep
Apr 18, 2003 8:46 AM
-but some languages have one specific word that means "you all" and its possessive. English of course uses the same "you" and "your" whether the subject is singular and plural- so we need to take the long way home and say "all of you" etc... when talking to more than one person.
you know you are really in the South when you hear "yuins" nmDougSloan
Apr 18, 2003 9:17 AM
I first heard 'yuins' in Pennsyl-tucky.Dale Brigham
Apr 18, 2003 10:31 AM
I have also heard it said here in Missouri, but less frequently. Seems to be uttered typically by "Hill-Dwelling Americans" of many regions.

I deny it.OldEdScott
Apr 21, 2003 5:31 AM
I have never heard the phrase 'you uns' uttered in the Commonwealth of Kentucky, by anyone for any reason. Frankly, I've never heard it uttered anywhere in the South. I believe it's more likely a Vermont/New Hampshire/Maine regionalism, or (even more likely) some weird term made up by Yankees to approximate a 'Southernism.' Whatever, it's certainly not a phrase used by people of hills.
You are correct, Sir!Dale Brigham
Apr 21, 2003 6:07 AM
When I wrote "Pennsyl-tucky," I was referring solely to the Commonwealth of PA, not KY. Pennsyl-tucky is a nickname for PA that I learned while doing time in Happy Valley (Penn State Univ).

"You-uns" seems to me to be a pronoun largely spoken in Appalachia north of the Mason-Dixon line. As other have stated above, it fulfills the (perceived) need for a unique second person plural pronoun ("all of you") that the English language lacks. In most of the South, including my home state, Texas, "Y'all" fills that role.

Thank God.OldEdScott
Apr 21, 2003 6:23 AM
I couldn't imagine what you were referring to!

I've never heard the term 'Pennsyl-tucky' either. I assume Pennsylvanians take it as an honorific!
my relatives in Tennesee...DougSloan
Apr 21, 2003 6:41 AM
My relatives use it all the time. Maybe they are particularly "rural"?

Hard to say. Maybe there's a pocket of thatOldEdScott
Apr 21, 2003 7:30 AM
usage in Tennessee or something. But I know it's rare. It's certainly not used in Kentucky, nor in any of the South I'm familiar with (admittedly I don't know every Southern state intimately).

The 'uns' in 'you uns' is a mush-mouthing of the word 'ones.' There ARE some common Southern formulations that use it. 'Young uns' comes to mind. It means 'The young ones.' Or 'big un' as in, 'That catfish, he's a big un all right.'

But as far as you uns -- I think it would almost always be more naturally 'you all' or 'y'all.'
how bout bring "y'all, y'all's bike" (nm)ColnagoFE
Apr 18, 2003 10:23 AM
I don't even know what that means... nmPdxMark
Apr 18, 2003 2:24 PM
variant of . . .Steve98501
Apr 18, 2003 11:30 AM
yada, yada, yada, occasionally followed by bing, bang, boom. I thought perhaps these were just brain farts that filled the silence when cognitive brain funtion momentarily lapsed. Just my speculation, but I find them all irritating.
I don't mind that phrase so muchColnagoFE
Apr 18, 2003 6:35 AM
That being said...I hate when people say "utilize" instead of the simpler "use". Strunk and White must have conditioned me well to avoid that word.
Never utilize a three-syllable wordOldEdScott
Apr 18, 2003 7:42 AM
when a one-syllable word will do. My rule of thumb.
Hey, I say that all the time!Kristin
Apr 18, 2003 6:54 AM
That being said, perhaps it is becoming a tad overused.
Hey, I say that all the time!PdxMark
Apr 18, 2003 8:02 AM
My sense is that any of these phrases, if used at all, quickly get to be overused
How about the Either or "I"ther pronunciation?....asphalt assault
Apr 18, 2003 8:46 AM
My wife and I both say it with the E vowl at the beginning and our 13yo son says it with an I.

I can't eeeven figger out where he picked that one up!
Makes plenty of sense.czardonic
Apr 18, 2003 10:06 AM
It indicates recognition of whatever has been said in advance of proffering a conflicting statement.

There's nothing wrong with "however". However/That being said/Nevertheless/On the other hand/Yet/At the same time/Even so/Nonetheless/That notwithstanding/, why should we be limited to it?
one of my most irritating is from football announcersrufus
Apr 19, 2003 8:12 AM
it used to be when the quarterback would come to the line and change the play based on what he saw, he was calling an "audible". "the QB is calling an audible at the line." then some yahoo announcer during a game years ago mangles the language in the heat of the moment and says "he's 'audibilizing' at the line of scrimmage", and now today every frickin' announcer says it.

the other phrase that really bugs me is "grow the business". you used to "make a business grow", or "business was growing", and now you "grow the business" or you are "growing the business".
don't even get me started on annoying business speakColnagoFE
Apr 22, 2003 7:37 AM
near the top most annoying phrases..."let's take this offline".
"same difference" (What!!!!!!) (nm)eyebob
Apr 21, 2003 6:27 AM