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OldEd's question about TLAM inventoryPdxMark
Apr 15, 2003 10:27 AM
Dangit! I really need to be working, but OldEd's question a couple days ago has been knawing at me, like one of his miserable flea-bitten mongrel hounds, and Google was sitting there quiet and bored... so I went off to see what I could learn about TLAM (Tomahawk cruise missile) inventories...

It looks like something between 700-800 have been used in the current Iraq war - out of an inventory in the region of about 1000. This first link (a Military Times news site) puts the number used at 700, but others had an 800 number.

That sounds like alot, and it is, because it looks like as of 1999 there were maybe 2500-2600 total according to this next link, which is from the Congressional Research Service part of the Library of Congress.

It looks like Syria will have to wait awhile, or we'll need new tactics. Maybe the Syria rhetoric will really start to rise once TLAM inventories are topped off... so we can follow-through with our threats "IF" (wink, wink) it becomes necessary...
Don't forget about the UKmohair_chair
Apr 15, 2003 10:47 AM
Britain has purchased a few over the years, so I'll bet the USA could borrow them or buy them back.

It seems to me that we probably shot off a lot more of those things than we really needed to. The ideal usage is to take out air defenses and other heavily defended targets, but I wonder how many we shot just for "decapitation" purposes. That served a purpose, I guess, but it seemed kind of pointless to blow up some of those ministry buildings.
Apr 15, 2003 11:12 AM
I'll have you know my hounds are purebreds! And if you think BIKES are expensive, check into Bloodhounds ...
Proof...we want full-on smoking gun pictoral proof of bloodlinessn69
Apr 15, 2003 11:25 AM
And don't for one instant think that we'll settle for fully quantifiable telephonic and radio intercepts with third-party bloodhound interpreters providing assurances that you're telling the truth. Likewise, we won't accept any first-hand accounts or substantial infrastructure support bills that any court would surely take as probable cause that your puppies are, in fact, full-blooded.

We want the truth! We can handle the truth. We demand a smoking gun, or until then, as far as we are concerned, you raise floofy lil' bijons!

Damn Hillbilly Neo-cons with puffy little French dogs tryin' to pull the bloodhound fur over our eyes!....
"Hillbilly neo-cons"! LOL!OldEdScott
Apr 15, 2003 11:34 AM
By far, the funenenenest day here in quite some time.sn69
Apr 15, 2003 4:36 PM
Oh, just for the record, you're still a Red-billy, but I think you're alright. Now...shall we debate the merits of single malt over single barrel bourbon?
Apr 16, 2003 5:30 AM
puhssies drink Scotch, my young friend.
Apr 16, 2003 5:42 AM
Now that's not a very "Kentuckyman" thing to say, even if you did spell it with the accent. I actually have a nice bottle of high end, small batch single barrel bourbon (the name eludes me but I think it's one of Booker's side projects). As hard as I've tried, I just can't get that excited by it. I did, however, watch a really interesting Food Network show about a dinner train that Booker sponsors. In fact, he was the narrator's host for the evening and he put down at least three full burgundy glasses of uncut bourbon. Whoa.... That would have been puke-ville for this guy.

In any case, my left-leaning, possum eatin', bijon/poodle breeding friend, I favor a nice double dram of Ardbeg every now and again. It's the residual rotten influence of a former RN squadronmate of mine, damn him....
You're better off sticking with your ownOldEdScott
Apr 16, 2003 5:53 AM
ancestral drink, Mogen David! Bourbon is for us hairy-legged Protestants, who pioneered the process of making it in own own home stills (and some of us still do, ahem.)

Honestly, Scotch just tastes like rubbing alcohol to me. There's no HISTORY in it. No seasons. Bourbon has to age seven years, out in those unheated/unairconditioned brick warehouses, and it goes through all 28 seasons of Kentucky in that time. It's hard to explain, but the seasons actually .. season ... it. You remember certain summers, winters, springs and falls as you sip it. It's evocative. It ties you to your past and warms your present. It's liquid Kentucky. It's a complex thing, Bourbon.
Funny...I always thought "my own" was rasberry-flavored Manishewitz. At least that's what Mom and Pop used to use to keep me placated (read: hammered on) at Passover seders when I was a runtnik. Of course, our Seders were sort of bizarro-mixes of Reformed tradition combined with a strange Kerouacian beatnik artsie-fartsie thing. I never figured out how "Johnathan Livingston Seagull" by the Jewish Elvis himself--Neil--dovetailed onto the story of Moses' flight from Egypt.... Much to their hard core liberal chagrine I always hooted with delight at the story's sub-plot about the slaying of the firstborns and sh!t. Little did they know that they had given rise to a future military strongman with aspirations of dominating the western seaboard from Baja to British Columbia (watch out Jon...I think I'm developing an immunity to Celine). It such a shame that it's nearly impossible now to achieve regional hegemony from the cockpit of a C-9. Back to spirits. I've often heard many of the same sentiments used to describe single malts, although I'm partial only to the Islay malts with their bitter sweet peatiness. It's an odd way to describe it, but I really like the dirt flavor that the various peats bring out, and the finish grows in it's sweetness. So, with the bourbons, do you add a splash of water to release the flavors? How about heaters? Do you find that they work well with any particular cigars?sn69
Apr 16, 2003 6:11 AM
My server is jacked. I'm read-only for a while.sn69
Apr 16, 2003 6:14 AM
Who's the Kerouacian in your family? I overheardOldEdScott
Apr 16, 2003 6:27 AM
my daughter say once: "I grew up in a house where I wasn't sure on any given day if my dad was Jack Kerouac or Ernest Hemingway."

I generally don't water my Bourbon, although on a hot Kentucky afternoon, with horses neighing over the fence and Bloodhounds scratching in the yard, I might drop an ice cube in. It's not so much for releasing flavor as for releasing memories of cooler seasons from the Bourbon's RAM.

You may as well know that, as a notorious Leftist who actually went to Cuba a couple of decades ago, I have, ah, connections in the cigar world. I'll leave it to your imagination as to what that means. I don't want to admit any felonies with Dick Cheney's lawyers reading over my shoulder here.

Suffice it to say that some particular cigars do work well with Bourbon, and when I get into Louisville, Rick Pitino, an aficionado, welcomes me to his office with open arms and free basketball tickets, because I come bearing gifts.
Who's the Kerouacian in your family? I overheardsn69
Apr 16, 2003 6:51 AM
Mom and Dad are, although Mom is more of an aging Beat.

Cubanos? What? You think we don't "procure" those when we're tormenting other countries on deployment? "Pillage and plunder" most definitely includes some nice Cohibas or RJs.
The Education and Redneckification of ScottJon Billheimer
Apr 16, 2003 7:40 AM
Drink enough REAL booze--bourbon, that is--and like Dr. Strangelove you'll learn to luuuuv her, Celine that is:)-
Apr 16, 2003 7:49 AM
All the more reason to stick with rubbing alcohol. At least that'll kill me fast. Celine is a slow, lingering death....
I think Scott has it in himOldEdScott
Apr 16, 2003 8:57 AM
to be a successful redneck. I'd say a couple of weeks in the woods with my Hounds and a bottle or two of Maker's Mark would do the trick. We need to work on his language skills, though. He's much too precise and grammatical.

Let's try a little drill. Just for starters. Say 'Amon.' That's Ah'-mun. Repeat. Amon, amon, amon, Congratulations. You are on the first leg of sounding authentic when you said "Amon git up an git mahself a drank.'
I think Scott has it in himJon Billheimer
Apr 16, 2003 9:42 AM
Nah! He's just a good semi-apostate Jewish boy. In another 25 years or so one might be able to insert "ole" between the Jewish and the boy:)- But a little quality bourbon might help the process along!
Well, don't forget Kinky Friedman andOldEdScott
Apr 16, 2003 9:46 AM
the Texas Jewboys. They bridged that cultural gap pretty good. Scott can do it. I like the cut of his jib (he'll know what that means, being a Navy guy and all).
LOL! nmJon Billheimer
Apr 16, 2003 9:49 AM
Beverly Hills Kinkymickey-mac
Apr 16, 2003 9:08 PM
From the LA Times 4/10/03

Kinkster is back in the saddle

By Ana Cantu

The crowd that turned out to hear country singer-turned-writer Kinky Friedman at the Beverly Hills Public Library was as likely to be wearing spangled Texas T-shirts and boots as L.A. basic black. The Kinkster sauntered in to the auditorium 10 minutes early, sized up the crowd and launched into an account of his recent trip to London, where he made a pilgrimage to what he called the most famous address in the world: 221 B Baker St., home of Sherlock Holmes.

For his 15th novel, Friedman described how he veered away from detective plots and instead cranked out a tale of modern-day merry pranksters trying to shut down a Starbucks, a premise that drew a lone cheer and a few snorts from some latte-clutching audience members. The talk turned to the conflict in Iraq and Friedman, sporting a yellow ribbon on his lapel, said: "I was discussing the war with Willie Nelson, who's kind of a conspiracy theorist. I told Willie, 'This guy's a murderous bully and we've got to get rid of him.' Willie said, 'No, he's our president and we've got to stick by him.' "

After sharing his philosophy on writing ("I try to write with a total disregard for the reader"), Friedman stepped off the stage and wandered through the audience reading from "Kill Two Birds & Get Stoned," his first non-mystery.

He punctuated a passage about famous writers and their inordinate fondness for mental hospitals by waving his trademark cigar, unlit -- a concession to California codes against smoking indoors. When he reached the end of the passage, he looked up and dead-panned, "This audience looks like it's been hit on the head with a hammer."
Sorry guyssn69
Apr 16, 2003 7:25 PM
I got an unexpected mission to MCAS New River this afternoon, and I'm off to sunny San Diego for the next ten days. Talk to Y'ALL when I get back.
Here's photgraphic proof from the US government...PdxMark
Apr 15, 2003 11:50 AM
Apr 15, 2003 12:46 PM
old records -- this produced at latest briefingDougSloan
Apr 15, 2003 1:45 PM
Apparently hit with some laser guided bombs.
Revised analysis of new pics...PdxMark
Apr 15, 2003 1:58 PM
those are the fleas!!
flea bombs? nmDougSloan
Apr 15, 2003 3:02 PM
Oops: flea-bitten purebred bloodhounds.... sorry nmPdxMark
Apr 11, 2003 8:55 AM
You nailed it! nmOldEdScott
Apr 15, 2003 11:37 AM
FOUND! Google finds OldEdScotts picturemoneyman
Apr 15, 2003 3:10 PM
With his best friend!

(Ed's on the right)

that's illegal in Oregon! nmPdxMark
Apr 15, 2003 3:26 PM
I leave for a few hours to do my normal mid-weekOldEdScott
Apr 16, 2003 5:12 AM
overnight double century (an at average speed of 22-24 mph; I know that's slow but it's early in the season, and all 200 miles are uphill on a 12-percent grade, plus I have a broken ankle)and come back to find myself and my Bloodhounds slandered all over this board.

FOR THE RECORD, I hope none a you bastards ever wanders off from the nursing home in the middle of the night, and needs a purebred fleabitten Bloodhound to track you down. If the Sheriff phones me, as he frequently does in the middle of the night, and says: "OldEd, wake up, sober up, I need you to bring Homer and Henry down pronto, seems like (sn69, DougSloan, PdxMark, moneyman, take your pick) has wandered off again nekkid from the Home and we're fearful he'll freeze ..." -- well, Henry and Homer and I may just choose to roll over and go back to sleep...

(P.S. I cain't BELIEVE the guv-mint has been takin satellite picture of my isolated rural compound. But then again, with all the rude things I say about Big Dick Cheney ...)
In all seriousness ...OldEdScott
Apr 16, 2003 5:33 AM
Who could look at the dawg in this picture and not want one?
I'd have one, but...moneyman
Apr 16, 2003 6:24 AM
Smokey would get jealous.

He's the handsome one.

What happened to the picture?moneyman
Apr 16, 2003 6:37 AM
Must be some vast left-wing liberal conspiracy to keep pictures of conservative dogs off the net.

Try again.................
'Conservative dogs'! LOL! nmOldEdScott
Apr 16, 2003 6:56 AM
Smokey would get jealous. He's the handsome one. $$moneyman
Apr 16, 2003 6:34 AM
WHAT is he doing with that dog??(nm)rufus
Apr 16, 2003 7:56 PM