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A question about the professor at Columbia..(9 posts)

A question about the professor at Columbia..ClydeTri
Apr 10, 2003 10:19 AM
Concerning the professor who called for a thousand "Mogadishues" (SP?) in a speech a couple weeks ago...if he had adovacated the killing of thousands of blacks or a minority group would he continue teaching at Columbia as he is now even if was tenured, which he isn't. I think not....but, its apparently politically correct to call for the deaths of tens of thousands of American soldiers...sad comment about our higher education system. He went back to work today under heavy guard.
But he didmohair_chair
Apr 10, 2003 10:31 AM
It's one thing to get wrapped up in rhetoric, but this guy is such an idiot, he forgot or doesn't know what happened in Somalia. It's said that over a thousand people or more died in the Battle of Mogadishu, and only 18 of those were American. A thousand battles like that would kill 1800 Americans, but it would wipe out the population of the country! That's what he wants??? The mass killing of blacks and Muslims!!!???
He quite possibly could have kept his job.czardonic
Apr 10, 2003 10:37 AM
Commitment to free speech and all:

    At least two of the speakers who followed De Genova distanced themselves from his comments. One of them was teach-in organizer Eric Foner, a history professor, who disagreed with De Genova's assertion that Americans who called themselves "patriots" also were white supremacists. In a telephone interview Thursday, Foner went further in his criticism, calling De Genova's statements "idiotic." "I thought that was completely uncalled for," Foner said, referring to De Genova's allusion to the Mogadishu ambush and firefight, portrayed in the film "Black Hawk Down" and known for the graphic image of a slain American soldier being dragged through the streets. "We do not desire the deaths of American soldiers." Foner said that because of the university's tradition of freedom of speech, it was unlikely De Genova would suffer professionally in any way because of what he said. "A person's politics have no impact on their employment status here, whether they are promoted, whether they are fired or whether they get tenure," Foner said. Foner said he did not know whether De Genova had tenure (Emphasis added. The source isn't very well identified, but this quote is excerpted from http://www.freedartmouth.com/2003_03_23_freedartmouth_archive.html.)


So as a matter of principle, his politics do not impact his job. I guess its not so much a matter of political correctness that protects him as Constitutional correctness (though that doesn't technically apply).
but I bet...ClydeTri
Apr 10, 2003 10:43 AM
If he had called for the death of thousands of blacks...he would be in the unemployment line and you know that...
If the policy is official, he could sue.czardonic
Apr 10, 2003 10:46 AM
Anyway, his remarks were political, not racist. Your analogy is false.
If the policy is official, he could sue.ClydeTri
Apr 10, 2003 10:53 AM
no, my point is that the adovacting the mass death of any group of people is so far out there it should not be tolerated..should he be arrrested? no, but, should a university or other school employ such a person? no...you have the right to say what you want..and I have the right to hire you or not...
What if, three weeks ago, he advocated "nuking" Bagdhad. . .czardonic
Apr 10, 2003 11:01 AM
. . .as a means to ending the war quickly? Would you have advocated his dismissal for advocating mass death?
re: A question about the professor at Columbia..purplepaul
Apr 10, 2003 1:33 PM
Actually, considering the racial makeup of the military, he is advocating the killing of thousands of blacks.

Yet another case of rhetoric being totally out of touch with reality.
His reference to 1000 Mogadishues was a strikeLive Steam
Apr 11, 2003 5:24 AM
at the US military. He was hoping for large loss of life to US military men and women, similar to what happened in Mogadishue. It had nothing to do with what is happening to the population there.