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Take Your "Spam" & Shove It(21 posts)

Take Your "Spam" & Shove ItDougSloan
Mar 26, 2003 7:51 AM
Whaddya think? Could this help?

California already has laws against spam messages on cell phones and junk faxes, but now the state legislature wants to stamp out spam on the information super-highway.

A Senate committee approved a bill that would allow Californians to sue companies that send unsolicited e-mails.

Under the proposal, Californians could get up to 500-dollars per message. Additionally, courts would impose an extra $250 fine to fund high-tech crime task forces.

According to the internet research company Jupiter, U.S. e-mail users received more than 260-million spam messages in 2002. That's a 86% increase from 2001.

The bill will be heard in senate appropriations in April.

http://www.47tv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=BB970F76-DA6A-4A3A-A67A-1C37AE42F721
another useless feel good lawmohair_chair
Mar 26, 2003 7:59 AM
This seems useless to me. How would you collect the money? How will this stop spam? Spam operators will simply move their operations offshore and become immune to California or US law.

You would think that if a politician can invent the Internet, other politicians can at least take the time to understand how it works and why it can hardly be controlled from Sacramento.
probably rightDougSloan
Mar 26, 2003 8:04 AM
Just figuring out who sent the email would be tough. A couple of teenage hackers might go into business suing spammers and actually make some money, though, if they can collect it.

Legitimate businesses will cut it out, though. I get them all the time from legal related businesses. It's the shady ones that are a pest. As much as I'd like to believe the "Enlarge your penis" spams, I doubt their credibility just enough not to want to do business with them.

Doug
Sounds like another useless cost-the-tax-payers law. nmKristin
Mar 26, 2003 9:44 AM
Could they add telemarketers to the list?KeeponTrekkin
Mar 26, 2003 8:00 AM
They're the ones that really disrupt my family time.

And then I'll ask the NJ legislature to do the same. (Ha Ha - too much budget blame game and finger pointing to actually do something for quality of life).
that one is easyDougSloan
Mar 26, 2003 8:05 AM
Just don't answer the phone any more. When we had the baby, we just turned off all the ringers and let the machine get it. After a few months, phone solicitors stopped calling. We have realized how unnecessary taking calls actually is. Amazing.

Doug
no doubt about itNo_sprint
Mar 26, 2003 8:41 AM
After getting caller ID, I haven't received one of those calls.
My home phone gets 3 -5 calls a day ..KeeponTrekkin
Mar 26, 2003 2:42 PM
that are "out of area" or "not provided" on the caller ID. Most of them are hangups; as soon as the phone is answered (by person or machine) the calling person or machine hangs up. The ringing drives my wife nuts.

Not answering hasn't worked as well for us. The calls keep coming. Our telco offers a call screening service but we've had trouble reaching friends who use it so we're reluctant to get it. I'm also reluctant to change a phone number that I've had for 15 years.
consider turning ringers off? nmDougSloan
Mar 26, 2003 2:47 PM
Could they add telemarketers to the list?ryder1
Mar 26, 2003 9:20 AM
I can't wait for the "national do not call list"!! You can sign up in june or July and it's supposed to take affect this fall.
Missouri has had a "No Call" list for at least a couple of yearsSpoke Wrench
Mar 26, 2003 9:43 AM
I love it because it has greatly decreased my number of phone solicitator calls. While not totally leak-proof, it's been a huge help. Unfortunately, I think that it has too many exemptions:
1. Political advertisements and fund raising.
2. Non-profit fund raising.
3. Anybody with whom you have a business relationship.
4. Telephone companies. Yup, I still get about a gazillion companies who all want to be my long distance carrier. Incidentally, I have no long distance carrier. We either use the cell phone or dial 10 10 220 for every call.
Have you tried it? Does it work?Kristin
Mar 26, 2003 9:45 AM
I haven't signed up for the one in IL yet. I'm a skeptic. But at my new number, I'm getting up to 8 unknown calls a day.
Oh yeah, baby! I love it. (nm)Spoke Wrench
Mar 26, 2003 9:51 AM
I'll have to try it.Kristin
Mar 26, 2003 9:55 AM
Oh yeah, I've been meaning to shoot you an email. Thanks for the bar caps. They work perfectly.
tried caller ID?DougSloan
Mar 26, 2003 10:03 AM
Get caller ID and then don't answer the phone unless you know who it is. After a while, I think they must take you off the lists. I love hearing the phone solicitors talking to my machine, thinking that their computer dialer got a real person. It's a minor revenge, but you take what you can get.

Doesn't sound like Missouri's law would do much good. Too many exemptions.

Or, just do away with the home phone entirely and use only a cell.

Doug
I have caller IDKristin
Mar 26, 2003 10:11 AM
I just want the phone to stop ringing.
Good news; I didn't know. Thanks! KoT (nm)KeeponTrekkin
Mar 26, 2003 2:43 PM
Spam & workryder1
Mar 26, 2003 9:29 AM
My wife gets spam from porn sites at work. If you accidentally click on it, it pops up multiple internet windows complete with graffic pics etc. I've seen what she gets sent and it's some pretty nasty hardcore stuff.

Funny thing is (not to my wife), somehow these sites got a hold of the distribution list for the "Society of Women Engineers". Now thousands of women engineers across the country get spamed by porn.........
We need a law that requires GPS coordinates for spam servers. . .js5280
Mar 26, 2003 10:32 AM
I'm all for a Shock and Awe campaign on Spam server farms ;-)

Colorado No Call law works great, now using Mailwasher for Hotmail which is much more flexible than Hotmail junk filters. It also sends fake "bounced" emails which help get some off some spam lists. Best of all, it's free ( http://www.mailwasher.net ) and has no annoyance features. I think it's slowing down the pace of spam, I just started using it though so it might take time. My dad says it's working great for him.

I don't think a No Spam law would work all that well because of the ease of moving spam offshore. I think the No Call laws only work because you can't call cheaply from offshore.
I don't know what will solve the problem.MR_GRUMPY
Mar 26, 2003 12:29 PM
I use Caller ID. and an answering machine, and I keep getting more and more calls everyday. I must get at least 15 on them a day. The ones I really hate are the prerecorded ones. You have to get up and stop the answering machine. Maybe someone will make one with a remote.
As for SPAM, I get at least 25 to 30 a day on my Hotmail address and about 5 a day on my friends only regular email.
I think Spaming deserves the death penalty.
maybe the Taliban are up to it nmDougSloan
Mar 26, 2003 2:22 PM