Mar 19, 2003 11:29 AM
|Are they waiting for a phone call from Bush before they start reporting that the war has started?|
Mar 19, 2003 11:34 AM
|they are waiting on bombs to fall on baghdad ala 1991|
|Can anyone recommend a good news channel?||Dwayne Barry|
Mar 19, 2003 11:34 AM
|I wish I got the BBC on my cable.|
|FOx News nm||ClydeTri|
Mar 19, 2003 11:35 AM
|Better off with the Cartoon Network. (nm)||czardonic|
Mar 19, 2003 11:38 AM
|CNN aka Cartoon News Network? or....||ClydeTri|
Mar 19, 2003 11:40 AM
|Certainly Not Neutral
Communist News Network
Clinton News Network..
|Conservativism Not Newsworthy (nm)||czardonic|
Mar 19, 2003 12:03 PM
|Now that's funny...||Dwayne Barry|
Mar 19, 2003 11:44 AM
|FOX is deplorable as a News Organization. Their spin on the news is horrible. Just give me the facts in a somewhat unbiased, balanced manner. FOX gives what the majority of Americans want to hear because it's good for ratings.|
|Now that's funny...||purplepaul|
Mar 19, 2003 11:56 AM
|Although FOX is as biased as CNN, just the other way, I believe that when it was launched, its slant was not popular. It unarguably is now, but I think that's because the population has shifted.
Fair and balanced. Right. But CNN is no better. Frankly, I think the two balance each other fairly well.
|The majority of Americans will always be...||Dwayne Barry|
Mar 19, 2003 12:15 PM
|conservative, almost by definition. I have little doubt that if an issue got better ratings by taking a heavy liberal bias, FOX would do that.
I can't agree CNN is as bad as FOX, but I don't like it either.
The PBS newshour is the best I've come across but it's only on each evening. I never watch the network news shows so I have no idea how they are.
|Obviosly someone watching a news as biased as PBS....||Alpedhuez55|
Mar 19, 2003 4:00 PM
|would not be aqble to notice the bias in CNN. You would obviously like your news with a liberal slant. PBS is much more biased than even CNN. CNN probably seems moderate to a PBS Viewer.
I like the BBC America News, but it is not on enough. Mishal Husain is great. She is bright and can conduct a very good interview. She is also willing to follow through on questions. I would love for them to expand that out to an hour.
|You didn't read my post closely enough...||Dwayne Barry|
Mar 19, 2003 5:19 PM
|I didn't say CNN was unbiased I said it wasn't as bad as Fox.
I made no comment on the bias of PBS, I merely said I like it.
All that being said, I must admit in the reporting of the news I don't see the liberal bias on CNN the way I see the pro-Bush bias on FOX when they report the news. And I can certainly detect liberal bias when its there, such as on 60 Minutes.
|I obviusly did read it closely||Alpedhuez55|
Mar 19, 2003 6:10 PM
"I can't agree CNN is as bad as FOX"
I took that as you saying CNN was not as biased as FOX. Maybe I implied that you said CNN was not biased when I said they would look "moderate" to you instead of liberal because your favorite outlet PBS is Left Wing.
Then you say in your your last post.
"I must admit in the reporting of the news I don't see the liberal bias on CNN the way I see the pro-Bush bias on FOX when they report the news."
Obviously I was right about what I read in your first. I implied someone watching PBS would be tempered in not
seeing the obvious bias in CNN reporting. Just like someone who litens to Rush Limbaugh will think FOX is "Fair & Balanced."
Sure I like the fact that PBS does not have commercial interruptions in their news. But they stack their panels with liberals and they cannot do a story on a tax cut without showing some old lady who claims she will die if Bush eliminates the dividend tax. You can tell me what you like about PBS if you like.
It is an environmental thing. In Boston it was 60 on Monday. There was still snow on the ground but you saw people walking around in shorts and T-shirts since after this long winter. If it wew 60 in Florida, they would be in sweaters and jackets. But in Boston, they would not see 60 as cold in March.
The same holds true for reporting. I will stand by my point. Someone who watches PBS on a regular basis will not notice all of the Bias in CNN's reporting.
|Fair enough...||Dwayne Barry|
Mar 20, 2003 5:18 AM
|I wasn't so much talking about what news is reported or how the various news channels stack their commentators but the manor in which the news is reported.
On Fox there is often open scoffing at say the French or Anti-war people or Saddam. Some or all of which may deserve scoffing BUT not from a news agency when reporting the news!
BTW, I don't consider myself a liberal, if you want to label me that go ahead. For instance, I do support tax cuts. I happen to also support decreased govt spending both of which used to be solid conservative values before the Bush adminstration threw fiscal responsibility out the window. I'm anti-affirmative action and welfare. I could probably come up with several other positions I hold that aren't liberal. I don't find the labels very useful.
|Now that's funny...||hycobob|
Mar 19, 2003 11:56 AM
|Thats better than not reporting on an issue because it will hurt the liberal agenda. Yes, Fox News is conservative biased. On the other hand, anyone who denies the liberal bias of the other network and cable news outfits is fooling him/herself. Of course they deny their liberal bias, it would be way too honest to admit they aren't fair and balanced. For a laugh try watching Today sometime.|
|The meaning of FOX......||CARBON110|
Mar 19, 2003 3:11 PM
|If you are the kind of person who can appreciate the idea of news in form and in isolation,then FOX is for you. Its like a poser network. It comes accross as a real news network but can't really live up to it. "" its a news network for the person who can appreciate a super model without the need to strike up a conversation; it looks fantastic and will stand scrutiny, but if you are looking for depth of charecter, your in the wrong place""
|The meaning of FOX......||Alpedhuez55|
Mar 19, 2003 3:43 PM
|I think they have some of the reporters. and offer some great sources of information, especially now where you have a republican president and congress. And though most of the female anchors are hotties, they are also very intelligent and insightful.
All of the Cable networks have their personalities. I would take Brit Hume over any of them.
The main difference between most Fox Watchers and the other networks is that the Fox viewers will admit there is Bias. Most CNN or MSNBC watchers will not.
|An Outsider Perspective||Jon Billheimer|
Mar 19, 2003 4:08 PM
|I just got back from some business travel. Since I live in the country and don't get cable I never watch American network news. To while away the time in my hotel room, however, I switched back and forth between a couple of Canadian networks and CNN. Oddly, I didn't find CNN so biased one way or another as simply bland and kind of navel-gazing in its perspectives. CBC, by contrast, will interview a lot of foreign network correspondents, politicians and commentators, so one gets the benefit of different and often conflicting viewpoints.
I've never watched FOX but have heard from acquaintances that it hardly deserves the label of news, more like White House press/propaganda releases.
|An Outsider Perspective||Alpedhuez55|
Mar 19, 2003 4:37 PM
|I would like to get more foreign news outlets myself. You get a different take on events.
And judging from your post history, you would lean more towards liberal. You find CNN non biased. And maybe your friends are liberal as well which would explain their feelings towards FOX. Did they aver complain about CNN being a mouthpiece for Clinton when he was president? I doubt it.
CNN is a biased network. So is fox. You just need to know what you are watching and take that into account.
|An Outsider Perspective||Jon Billheimer|
Mar 19, 2003 6:27 PM
I was raised in an ultra-conservative family. At the age of 8 my father introduced me to Sen. Joseph McCarthy, calling him a great patriot. (This is to establish context:)-) I've always thought of myself as a small c conservative. However, since 9/11 I've discovered that living in Canada for nearly 35 years has changed, if not broadened, my political perspectives. On the Canadian political spectrum I would be termed a "red Tory", that is, somewhat centre-left. However, since renewing my interest in U.S. politics post 9/11 and participating in this forum I'm pretty shocked to discover that on the American political spectrum I am probably solidly liberal, though not extreme left-leaning.
Living outside the country one does realize after awhile how truly self-absorbed America is. This I suppose is an inevitable consequence of incredible wealth and unchallengeable power. However, President Bush even by American standards is extremely arrogant and dismissive of the rest of the world, insofar as America's perceived interests are concerned. He has made it abundantly clear that neither international conventions, treaties, nor policy will stand in the way of the U.S. getting its way and writing its own rules as it goes. This is what has created such an international uproar over his Iraq policy as well as his unilateralism in general.
However, my most surprising self-discovery is that neo-conservatives, by traditional standards, are neither fiscal conservatives nor real proponents of small, non-intrusive government. They mouth the mythology but their behaviour is quite the opposite. So if you'll excuse the cliche', I find myself in the middle of a political identity crisis:)- This is not to s ay that I'm anti-American at all, but that I feel that traditional political labels are only useful at best for propagandizing and sloganeering.
My comments with respect to CNN are simply that its reporting seems to me to be remarkably uncritical, in a journalistic, investigative sense of the word.
Now that this war is unavoidably on, along with the rest of this board's participants, I hope that it's short and that American military and Iraqi civilian casualties are minimal. As for Hussein and his entire Baath Party cadre, I hope they suffer the excruciating, horrible deaths that they deserve. My objections to this war are not moral, but legal and strategic.
|What use is an unabashed mouthpiece for the State?||czardonic|
Mar 19, 2003 4:47 PM
|Seriously, even if you prize FOX for its conservative tilt, why do you need it when, as you point out, both the Whitehouse and congress are controlled by Conservatives? Couldn't you just tune in to CSPAN or log on to whitehouse.gov and get it straight from horse's mouth?
I don't understand why at a time when Conservativism enjoys alomst no obstruction, Conservatives are all the more determined to shut themselves in an echo chamber of self-congratulating dogma.
|Liberals just miss the days of Liberal Media Monoploy||Alpedhuez55|
Mar 19, 2003 5:28 PM
|Czar, I watch all the cable networks. Mostly Fox and MSNBC but also watch CNN Headline News. I do not like Bill OrReilly & Shepard Smith. Hannity & Combs are OK. I even listen to Combs radio show sometimes and he is a liberal.
CSPAN is tough for the scheduling. I liked it better when Bob Dornan used to give his Rants infront of the Camera's & the empty house. I miss old B-1 Bob ;-) Sure he is a nut, but he spoke form the heart and was very funny.
Half the time you turn on Cspan and there are congressmen getting camera time infront of an empty chamber or a replay Presidential Candidate's meeting with an Iowa Chamber of Commerce.
I get a lot of my news from the net and newspapers. Most TV & Radio newscasts are just re-writes from the wire services. The trick is to know what you are reading so you can cut through the bias.
There is plenty of obstruction to conservative views out there. The fact is, every other major TV media outlet out there is liberal with the exception of Fox. The liberals just hate that they no longer have a monopoly on propoganda.
|Apparently, I missed those days entirely.||czardonic|
Mar 19, 2003 5:46 PM
|Anyway, how is politician adressing an empty chamber any different than politician adressing the unquestioning nods of some Fox interviewer?
Liberal or Conservative, I favor news organizations that recognize their historic and vital role as a check against state issued propaganda.
I'm not trying to pick on you specifically. I just don't understand the need or the rationalizations for Fox. Its one thing to tune in to CNN and be oblivious to its bias. Its another to tune into Fox specifically because it is biased.
|Apparently, I missed those days entirely.||Alpedhuez55|
Mar 19, 2003 6:35 PM
|I think the point of the argument is that most conservatives are willing to admit that Fox is biased. Most liberals will not say the same of CNN or the three network nightly news casts.
But FOX is a good source for some things. If you want to hear some breaking story coming from the Republicans, you would go to Fox, just like you would go to CNN for something from the Democrats.
Also for breaking stories like on 9/11, The Shuttle Crash and things of that nature, I usually will turn to CNN. I turn off FOX more often than you would think. I watch and read a lot of sources. That is the best way to stay informed.
Mar 20, 2003 6:11 AM