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Scary or no big deal?OldEdScott
Mar 6, 2003 9:39 AM
White House Asks Satirist to Remove Image
Associated Press

NEW YORK - An Internet lampoon of Vice President Dick Cheney's wife is no laughing matter at the White House, which has asked a satirist to remove pictures of her - complete with red clown noses - from his Web site.

But the New York Civil Liberties Union struck back Wednesday on behalf of John A. Wooden, 31, threatening a lawsuit to protect his First Amendment rights to parody the White House and Bush officials on his site,

The official White House site is

Cheney counsel David S. Addington warned Wooden's Chickenhead Productions Inc. that Lynne V. Cheney's name and pictures - altered to show her with a red clown's nose and a missing tooth - could not be used to make money without her consent, and asked Wooden to delete the photos and "fictitious biographical statement about her."

Instead, Wooden cautioned Web site visitors that the vice president "wishes you to be aware ... that some/all of the biographic information contained on this PARODY page about Mrs. Cheney may not actually be true."

And, it added, the editors of the Web site were "confident that any rumors about Mrs. Cheney formerly being a crystal meth pusher are 100 percent likely to be absolutely untrue. Similarly, any stories about her penchant for licking brandy Alexanders off the hirsute belly of her spouse are all lies, lies, lies!"

NYCLU lawyer Chris Dunn wrote the office of the vice president that the material was "fully protected by the First Amendment."

"With everything happening in the world, you'd think the office of the vice president would have something more important to do than sending letters to political satirists," Wooden said.

A spokeswoman for Cheney's office, Jennifer Millerwise, confirmed the letter from Addington was authentic but said she otherwise had no comment.
No big dealmohair_chair
Mar 6, 2003 10:09 AM
Seems like a simple, non-threatening, polite request from Cheney to protect his wife. Most men of character would do the same, I would hope. It also seems like the recipients had only two reasonable possibilities for their response:

1. ignore it
2. get rid of the image

Naturally, they did neither one.
No big deal - agreeDougSloan
Mar 6, 2003 10:15 AM
Doesn't sound like any coercion going on, only a request.

Take pot shots at an official's wife is sort of low, and this isn't the same as Hillary, who injected herself into public issues.

Nonetheless, sounds like no big deal, hardly even newsworthy.

I agree they have a legal right to publish the satire. Nothing can be done about it.

Truth bell! Ding, ding, ding! Ding, ding!OldEdScott
Mar 6, 2003 3:25 PM
Hasn't 'injected herself into public issues?'

Let's see ...

As this targeted website points out, and has links to prove, she's been a CNN "Crossfire" pundit, Chairman of the NEH, and remains a strategist for the right-wing American Enterprise Institute and a prolific author of sociocultural propaganda, vacuously jingoistic children's books, academic blacklists, and turbo-juicy lesbian erotica. (This is the website's admittedly incendiary language, but check the links).

She ain't a bashful housewife being singled out for skewering. She's as out-there on the right as Hillary was on the left.

I'm not fearful for the First Amendment; it'll survive even this administration. I'm just astonished at this latest expression of Cheney self-important arrogance.
ok; comments withdrawnDougSloan
Mar 6, 2003 4:42 PM
I didn't read the website, nor was I aware of that.


Q for Umoneyman
Mar 7, 2003 6:57 AM
If Lynne Cheney is " out-there on the right as Hillary was on the left.", then why has she not been vilified in the press the way HRC has been? Vast right wing conspiracy?

I guess we lefties have just been too soft on old Lynne! :-)OldEdScott
Mar 7, 2003 7:02 AM
make her appear important enough & she might run for senate? nmDougSloan
Mar 7, 2003 8:35 AM
Mar 6, 2003 10:20 AM
What passes for parody these days. Sorry, but that's just insults, not comedy. Parody exploits the foibles of the famous and infamous. All that website does is exploit the fact that Lynne Cheney IS famous. It does not take her to task on substantive issues in a humorous way. Where does that outrageous statement about Brandy Alexanders and crystal meth come off as parody? How does that relate to anything she has done in her life?

If I were to interpret the letter from the VPs attorney, I would say it's purpose was to disturb Mr. Wooden into taking that material off the page more than to actually pursue legal remedies against him.

Finally, it was only too obvious that the characterization of Mrs. Cheney was a blatant lie when Wooden wrote "The two would dine together the next evening at a Roy Rogers Family Restaurant, then venture out for a night of dancing and sloe gin fizzes." As a longtime resident of the great state of Wyoming, the Cheney's home, I can tell you that there has never been a Roy Rogers restaurant in Wyoming. In addition, any self respecting man drinking a sloe gin fizz in Casper is likely to have his citizenship revoked.

Switch to decaf (nm)53T
Mar 6, 2003 2:09 PM
With all thats going on in the worldKristin
Mar 6, 2003 2:33 PM
You would think that the Associated Press would have more to do than publish articles about vice presidents who send letters to political satirists.
You might say the same aboutOldEdScott
Mar 6, 2003 2:57 PM
vice presidents who send letters to political satirists.
A Vice President whose LAWYER sends a letter...PdxMark
Mar 6, 2003 4:09 PM
Citing chaper and verse of supposed illegalities with the Web site. Here's the letter

The Constitution may very well survive these guys, but not for any lack of their trying to dismantle it to siut their means.

Knowing a bit about the trademark laws Cheney's lawyer is alluding to, it's clear that he is grossly overstating the strength of his position. It matters that the Vice President of the United States is attempting to squelch a political statement.

An honorable man... sheesh. Was that before or after he sold $30 million worth of oil parts to Iraq. I'm more angry than ever with the folks who voted for Nader...
re: Scary or no big deal?Me Dot Org
Mar 6, 2003 6:42 PM
I must admit I'm of two minds when it comes to the relatives of politicians. I mean, you can choose your spouse but you can't choose your parents. So I tend to feel a little more sympathy for the kids.

I get the same kind of sick thrill you get from watching a crash in a auto race when I watch Lynn Cheney's frozen deer-in-the-headlights-glazed-over look when she's asked about her lesbian daughter. It's kind of tough to walk the line between being a supportive mother and a compassionate Christian who believes lesbians will burn in the fires of hell forever.
Ooof, last line...snicker, snicker.sn69
Mar 6, 2003 7:13 PM