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Great White rocks on!!!Alpedhuez55
Feb 25, 2003 11:06 AM
This was supposedly this was posted this past weekend by Jack Russell, the singer of Great White. I think it was a message to their fan club. It has been printed in both the New York Post and & Providence Journal Buliten:
To our fans:
I personally would like to express my heartfelt condolences to those families of the love ones who perished as well as Ty, our guitarist's family, in the tragedy at the Station last night.

We will continue our Tour with a replacement guitarist sometime in the next few days.

Great White will continue the tour as soon as possible.

Granted that message was unconfirmed and could be a hoax, but if it is not, there is only one punishment fit for the the surviving members of the band. You dress them in Flamable Deer costumes and send them into the woods in back of Ted Nugent's house for some Flaming Arrow practice.

They could have at least waited a few weeks to announce their plans. Or wait until yesterday, when their guitarists body was positively identified!!!

Mike Y.
I guess no one told them. . .czardonic
Feb 25, 2003 11:29 AM
. . .that there are rules written in stone about what to do in the wake of a such an incident. What kind of jerks would pledge to carry on with their lives in the wake of a tragedy!?
Mabye a little common senseAlpedhuez55
Feb 25, 2003 12:47 PM
It is not like their Gutarist choked on his own (or someone else's) vomit. If that were the case, I would not have a problem with them continuing their career.

This is a band whose careless use of pyrotechnics was the main cause of 97 deaths. It would even be different if the deat was caused by a another factor such as a an electrical short or a careless smoker. I would hope you would see that difference as well.

THere is a very good chance they will be held criminally responsible. If this story is true, it sounds a lot more like they are trying to capitalize on the senseless deaths of their fans as opposed to carrying on after a tragedy.

I hope that story was a hoax. I find it hard to beleive that anybody could be that crass. Maybe they could have asked some of their friends in the industry to put on a big benefit show for the victims. That would be more than acceptable. Talking of getting a replacement guitarist and trying to tour days after the tragedy of this porportion is in poor taste. That is not written in stone, but should be common sense. Maybe the Jack Daniels killed off that part of Jack Russells Brain back in the 80s though.

Mike Y.
Since you seem have the rule book handy. . .czardonic
Feb 25, 2003 1:00 PM
. . .how long before they are permitted to play music again?
Hold on. Here's their websiteOldEdScott
Feb 25, 2003 1:25 PM
Since you are lacking common senseAlpedhuez55
Feb 25, 2003 1:44 PM
It sounds like good taste and Common sense is something foriegn to you. Maybe there will be a day when they can resume touring and replace their gutarist, but that time was not last Saturday when that message went out, two days before they identified the dead guitarists body.

Maybe you are a big fan of Great White and miss their dated blues/metal stylings & cellulite encased in spandex. Rather than assign a date when they can perform again, how about the day after any one these events:

The day after OJ Simpsons hosts a Knife Infomercial ;)

Robert Blakes Gun Contol Public Service anouncement

Cardinal Law Poses nude in NAMBLA Newsletter

Ted Kennedy designs his own line of Scuba Wear

Joey Buttafucco opened a home for troubled teenage girls

Hope this helps!!!
Mike Y.
hate to play devil's adovacateClydeTri
Feb 25, 2003 2:04 PM
Great White is hardly a "popular" band these days...those guys arent rich...and they very likely had signed contracts to play future dates which they may have had to forfeit bonds if they didnt show up at ...and, they will need all the money they can scrape up for legal purposes...I really dont find fault with them continuing..would I do it? No, but, I am not in their shoes thankfully
That's sounds a lot more like common sense to me. (nm)czardonic
Feb 25, 2003 2:16 PM
Bonds for a 500 seat club?Alpedhuez55
Feb 25, 2003 4:01 PM
I do not think they would be posting Bonds for 200-500 seat clubs. It is not like they are playing 10,000 seat arenas anymore. If there were any bonds posted, the death of a guitarist would be more than enough to get them out of it. Besides, if they were to try to resume their tour within a few weeks or months, the news media and protesters would more than likely out number the ticket holders. No club owner would want that type of publicity. They would rather cut their losses and book a local act that night. It is not that hard to find an act to draw a couple of 200-300 people with a $5 cover. That is what the Staion drew with a heavily promoted concert.

My guess it would take a while for people to accept them again. Coming back to play concerts a few weeks after is not the way to do that. They would look too greedy and trying to capitalizeon their new found fame/infamy. Plus they would need to avoid the Northeast all together.

Mike Y.
"Maybe there will be a day when they can resume"?czardonic
Feb 25, 2003 2:27 PM
Maybe!? What is going to be different on that hypothetical day?

I'd never even heard of Great White before this happened, and I don't care if I ever hear them perform. That being said, I respect their right to mourn as long as they like, in whatever way they like.
Perhaps there is another possiblityKristin
Feb 25, 2003 3:09 PM
They are likely under contractual obligation with some of these clubs and maybe can not afford to bail out...though I think its pretty obvious that they will be in the poor house no matter what income (or lack thereof) is in their future.
I looooove to play the devils advocate.czardonic
Feb 25, 2003 3:17 PM
So, changing tacks for a second, shouldn't whatever clubs that have Great White on their calendar cancel these shows and hold benefit concerts for the victims instead? Otherwise, aren't they "capitalizing" on the bands newfound infamy?
Czar, you are starting to get some common sense ;)Alpedhuez55
Feb 25, 2003 4:29 PM
That is a good idea. My musical career taught me that most club tend to be pretty greedy, but I am sure some would go along. Maybe you picked up on that when I mentioned Great White should contact some of their friends in the music industry to organize a benefit in my response to your first post ;)

A friend of mine saw Great White a couple of years ago in a revival tour with Poison & Motley Crue. I am sure they have enough friends to help organize benefit shows featuring some of the other LA Metal bands.

Also in Great Whites defense, so far they have been cooperative with the authorities. The club owners are using the press and avoiding requests to interview with the police. One of the owners, Jeff Dedarian was a TV reporter here in Boston and in Providence. He would have been one of the first people knocking on your door if you were the club owner. They were pretty soft on him the first couple of days but after a lot of criticism you are starting to see things TV like reporters ringing on Dedarian's Doorbell.

Mike Y.
Well, we can't have <i>that</i>, now can we? }: ]czardonic
Feb 25, 2003 4:46 PM
If Great White wants to cancel the tour and organize some vicarious benefit show, fine by me. If they want to continue their tour and make every show a tribute to the victims, fine by me. If they just want to go out and play music and try to put this tragedy behind them, fine by me.

I'd rather live in a country where my delicate sensibilities are sometimes offended, than in one where I have to tiptoe around everyone elses.
Well, we can't have <i>that</i>, now can we? }: ]Alpedhuez55
Feb 25, 2003 5:51 PM
Well, I think they are more likely to do a prison concert than anything else. There is going to be a rush to put some of the negligent parties on trial and Jack Russell is likely to be one of the parties who will do jail time.

I think there are times when you need to tip toe around sensibilities, and for Great White, this is one of those times. Sure they are free to tour the country if there are any clubs that will book them. This is a time if they know whats best for them to sit tight and see if the storm winds fade.

Mike Y.
Guilty until proven innocent, eh?czardonic
Feb 25, 2003 6:35 PM
It sounds like you want them to start serving their prison sentence before they are even charged or tried, let along convicted.
Far from that CzarAlpedhuez55
Feb 25, 2003 7:17 PM
If you could see the news coverage in Boston, the Attorney General is going to target some people in this. There is a rush to hold someone accountable and I do not think fines or probation will be enough.

We will see what happens. I am not in favor of just throwing people in jail. I think someone is going to do some time on this though. It will most likely be someone from Great White, either Jack Russell or his stage manager and maybe one of the club owners.

This was a horrible accident, but sometimes people go to jail for accidents. I want justice and I expect that more than one person will do some jail time. There are almost 100 dead people here. I am sure they will go though due process.

Mike Y.
Czar, you are one argumentative pr*ck aren't you?VertAddict
Feb 26, 2003 10:55 PM
Czar, you are one argumentative pr*ck aren't you?Alpedhuez55
Feb 27, 2003 6:16 AM
Easy does it Vert. Lets try not to get into name calling. Sure Czar is argumentative. He also seems to like to pick on me & other people who support the war, even when the war is not the topic of the post. But calling someone a pr*ck is wrong. Just pick apart his position and point out the flaws in his argument.

Mike Y.
Think this was a hoax anywayOldEdScott
Feb 26, 2003 7:10 AM
Based on the message posted on their website, the fact that this just doesn't ring true anyway, and what the Associated Press reports today in,2933,79573,00.html
I hope it is tooAlpedhuez55
Feb 26, 2003 8:52 AM
The statement was published in the NY Post and Providence Journal who said it was sent to someone at CHannel 10 in Providence. My gut feeling was it may be a hoax, but when you see it in a couple of places, you have to wonder. The media also can rush to print unconfirmed stories after this type of event.

I got that mock up of a CNN page from a coworker that said Dave Matthews overdosed and died last month. People like to pull that type of hoax. Welcome to the internet age!!!

Mike Y.