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Just a reminder that people are involved in this(7 posts)

Just a reminder that people are involved in thissn69
Feb 12, 2003 3:13 PM
The majority of our aircraft carrier battle groups and amphibious readiness groups are deployed or are about to surge in preparation for what might happen. In the meantime, some of these folks are entering their ninth month of deployment (even during GW1 we didn't deploy longer than 6 months in most instances) with no end in sight.

And, from the other side, the Iraqi people have been suffering under this goon for the better part of a quarter century.

All the political bickering in the wold (or on the net) doesn't change the fact that this is a real crisis involving real people.

I recently received an email from a friend and peer about how things were going on his carrier. His response would have made JS proud; it was a haiku. The subtlety might be lost on some of you, but it says a lot about the simple human side to this:

Flying in the Gulf.
Festering smallpox pustule.
I took the bonus.

Even in the darkness, a bit of sarcastic humor can mean a lot....
re: Just a reminder that people are involved in thiswookieontherun
Feb 12, 2003 6:26 PM
When Timothy McVeigh blew up the Fed. Building at OK City did we go and bomb Michigan or Minnesota or whatever state he was in at the time? No, we didn't. We tracked him down and arrested him, which seems to be the really obvious option to dealing with Hussein. If you want to disarm him then let the inspectors do their job. Bombing isn't going to help this situation whatsoever.
You're missing the pointCaptain Morgan
Feb 13, 2003 5:43 AM
You said "let the inspectors do their job."

What IS their job? Is it to go on a treasure hunt and play a game of hide and seek? NO, it is to VERIFY evidence that Iraq was SUPPOSED to provide that they indeed destroyed their illegal weapons. However, Iraq is not providing ANY evidence.

The inspection process is ineffective and worthless, and Iraq has fooled you yet again into supporting this process indefinitely (it allows him to stay in pwer longer). Don't be so gullible. Sadam has you wrapped around his little finger.
You're missing the pointwookieontherun
Feb 13, 2003 8:00 AM
No, I certainly am not missing the point. The inspectors are finding what they need to find and destroying it. And besides, what makes us so holier than thou? Half of the "dictators" we've gone to take over in the past 30 years WE'VE INSTALLED! Don't bring this bullshit on about it being a humanitarian thing for the people of Iraq. If it was a humanitarian thing we wouldn't be threatening to bomb the heckout of them.
Balance, Grasshoper, balance....sn69
Feb 13, 2003 8:39 AM
I realize that's an emotional response, Good Sir Wookie, but that final statement was one of the biggest oversimplifications yet posted here--right or left of the political spectrum.

As with everything else, the challenge that we all face is to seek the accurate truth with a well-balanced eye towards the varying factors that are influencing events. The hard part of the challenge is sifting through our own pre-conceived notions borne from political passions and concurrently resulting from the patisan pablum of the various pundits, officials and legislators.

Yes, we've installed/maintained some horrific people in the name of "communism containment," "regional stability," and whatnot. Names like Pinochet, Noriega, Marcos, and Batista come immediately to mind. If we had granted Ho Chi Mihn the audience he requested before he turned to the Soviets, 200,000 more people would be alive today (50K Americans and 150K Vietnamese).

Still, the reality of this situation is independant from those insomuch as they only serve to teach us valuable lessons of our own mistakes and victories. They should temper our actions here, but not define them.

As for "bomb{ing} the heck out of them," that's harldy accurate. Speaking from the inside, if this comes to war, I guarantee you that DOD will go to extraofinary lengths to protect civilians. We always do, and as the Lebanon, Panama, GW1 and Somalia demonstrated, many of our battlefield casualties resulted from the measures we took to protect the citizenry as much as possible while putting our own fighting women and men further at risk. I know because I do this for a living, and I've lost friends from this.....

Seek balance and temper the passion. I hate to be so cliche, but the truth is out there.
Balance, Grasshoper, balance....wookieontherun
Feb 13, 2003 9:42 AM
Indeed the truth is out there. The truth is that no peace comes from bombing in the end. Violence never brings true peace, just a lull between wars.
You're missing the pointryder1
Feb 13, 2003 8:57 AM
You would think that if we have sat photos of trucks leaving some inspection site out the back door (with some supposed banned stuff) just as inspectors come in the front door, we could communicate and coordinate this info to the inspection teams beforehand??