|Revisiting Affirmative Action - What if Tiger Woods||moneyman|
Feb 3, 2003 8:31 AM
|Applied to the University of Michigan? He describes his ethnicity as a combination of African-American, Asian, and several other ancestries. Under the point system used at the U of M, does he get 20 points for his African-Americanism? Or does he not because of his Asian heritage?
And what about people who have similar situations, such as a Korean mother and a Hispanic father? And what exactly is "Hispanic"? Is Oscar Sevilla Hispanic? Does he get treated the same as an immigrant from Tijuana? Or Havana?
I do not mean this to be troll material, but rather am genuinely curious about how this works. Ethnicity is not exact, and I don't know how these things are handled.
For a point of reference, I read an editorial in the Denver Post yesterday, written by a Mexican-American, who called up this very question. If the lines were very clear with regard to race, this would be a bit easier. But the lines that define race appear as clear as mud.
Feb 3, 2003 8:53 AM
|I knew a girl when I was in graduate school at Kent State in Ohio who qualified for all of the "minority" scholarships because her great grandmother was native American. I have no idea how you prove that, if just a name will do, or you have to have some kind of documentation? Anyway 1/8th minority was good enough for her to qualify. It's a good thing they didn't go by appearance since she was pasty white, with reddish hair and freckles.|
|I blew it||DougSloan|
Feb 3, 2003 9:13 AM
|One of my great grandmothers was Cherokee. You mean I could have had college paid for? I have no idea how I would have proved it, though, short of having them interview my relatives in Tennesee.
Sometimes it's clear, sometimes not. We deal with this in discrimination lawsuits, too.
Feb 3, 2003 9:28 AM
|Potowatomi. Same scenario.
What happens if I check the "Native American" box? How would I prove it? How would a University - or employer - disprove it? Is there some genetic test that differentiates races? I doubt it, but think of the box that opens.
|You both blew it.||eyebob|
Feb 3, 2003 10:47 AM
|Having worked for the Federal govt. with the Indian Health Services, let me tell you that all you need to do is meet your "tribes" qualifications to be a member. Cherokee Nation (I'm 99% sure) requires like 1/64 blood quantum to meet their requirements. We often kidded that was approximately the amount of blood it took to fill a person's foot!
On the serious side though, the reason that Indian tribes often make it easy to be included is because of good ol money. From a health care standpoint, they can opt to take a portion of the IHS budget as a buy out (based on a formula which heavily weighs population) to seek and pay for their own health care vs. having the USPHS supply it. But many tribes have much much more strict rules for blood quantum level in order to be on their rolls. The tribes who have casinos are particulary strict because (surprise, surprise) the more people on the rolls, the smaller the piece of the pie that they all get.
I can't prove my Mohawk heritage but if I could, I would because for govt. (especially IHS) purposes they have hiring preferences, called "indian preference." If you're enrolled in a tribe and you qualify for a position in the IHS, BIA then you get it over any (yes any) non-Native American applicant. (On a similar note, this same sort of preference goes for hiring at a VA too)
So, naturally, why is this still in place? Bush has the power to change that rule with a penstroke. Hmmmm, makes you wonder?
And now back to the topic....
The US Census for 2000 showed a much more diverse population in the US as compared to the 1990 version, not just because there are more minorities present in the US but also because so many of us chose not to call ourselves Caucasion if we had some type of mixed blood. I imagine that 2010 will be even more "diverse."
|re: Revisiting Affirmative Action - What if Tiger Woods||Alpedhuez55|
Feb 3, 2003 9:10 AM
|I will comment on the Oscar Sevilla portion of the post. A friend of mine from college applied and was accepted to an Ivy Leauge school, I believe it was Dartmouth. His last name is Alvarez.
He got a call from the college offering him a very generous scholarship package that would have been very close to full. He started to get all excited. The woman said you did not check off a block on the for the race/ethnicity and said to him "You are hispanic, right?" and he responded "No I am Spanish, my Grandparents parents are from Spain." They college said that the scholarship was for Hispanic students only. He did not get it.
My ex-fiance was from Costa Rica. If we had married and had kids would they have still been clasified as Hispanic for financial aid applications, even though they had an Irish Last name and possibly blond hair & blue eyes?
I think those blocks should not be included on the applications in the first place.
|re: Revisiting Affirmative Action - What if Tiger Woods||Jon Billheimer|
Feb 3, 2003 12:18 PM
|Hopefully someday this whole race thing will get so debunked that we will revert to justice and equality for all and people will actually be judged on merit. Don't hold your breath, though.|
|re: Didnt Have Too..||jrm|
Feb 3, 2003 12:44 PM
|He's the child of wealthy parents and attended USC. AA is more about the need for universities to meet quotas in order to receive or continued programming.
IMO: if the kids smart, tracked through schools, done well on standardized tests and has AMBITION that kid has every right to attend college regardless of their ethnicity.
|Tiger Woods is a fake||Fez|
Feb 4, 2003 5:08 AM
|Despite his Asian heritage (mother), he finds quite lucrative to portray and market himself as an Afro-American in this country. I guess there's a lot of publicity in saying he broke color barriers on the golf course as a black man rather than a man who is partially black, Asian, and a few other ethnicities.
What has he done for the Asian-American community?
An identity is something you shouldn't be selective about. Furthermore, he had plans to market his Asian heritage in ad campaigns and tours he did in Asia.
He may be a good golfer, but that's about all. I wish people would stop looking at athletes or golfers as role models. If Tiger Woods was part Asian and Hispanic no one would give him the time of day outside his great golf achievements.
|Tiger Woods is a fake||SteveS|
Feb 4, 2003 10:45 AM
|I haven't followed this recently, so I might not be up to date, but at least a couple of years ago, Woods asked that he not be called "African-American" as he was quite clear on his 60+% Asian ancestry. In earlier years, he called identified himself as "calabrasian" which acknowledged his various ethnic contributors, including Caucasian. I do know that Charles Barkley for one, has befriended Tiger and tried to convince him that he is an African-American, which I interpret as basically rejecting his Thai mother and his asian-ness. Seems like Michael Jordan was involved in that push, but I could be wrong on that.
If Woods does indeed deny his true ethnic make-up, I would be very disappointed in him. As a mixed-race person, he is part of the wave of the future and as far as I know, has been an excellent role model for everybody thus far.
|Tiger Woods is a fake||Alpedhuez55|
Feb 4, 2003 12:23 PM
|I think Nike & the PGA were the ones who pushed the African American angle, mostly to try to open up a new market. I do not think Woods denies any of his ancestry. I guess he would rather not be lumped into one catagory and looked upon according to his play. That is the impression I always got from him and his statements.
Sure there were players like Jim Thorpe, Lee Elder and Calvin Peete who were great black golfers before Woods. I think what Woods will do is take adjective Black away from "Black Golfer", much like it disapeared in football thanks to players like Williams, Moon & Cunningham. Thanks to them, Michael Vick & Donovan McNabb are know Quarterbacks and not "Black Quarterbacks."
|Tiger Woods is a fake||Fez|
Feb 4, 2003 1:31 PM
|On another note, his big mouthed father Earl put him on the same level as Nelson Mandela.
Earl should have realized what Nelson Mandela did and what he sacrificed before he made a comparison to his son.
|There is a Thai restaurant in Berkeley. . .||czardonic|
Feb 4, 2003 3:48 PM
|. . .with a whole wall of personalized Tiger memorabilia. Maybe the owner is just a fanatic, but I'd always assumed that Tiger had some kind of friendly connection to the establishment, and was pitching in some of his celebrity to help promote the place.
I don't know what you count as doing something for the Asian-American community, but I don't think he has ever downplayed his Asian heritage. I think it is more his sponsorers and media talking heads who tend to emphasize his African-American heritage, because in the golf world that makes more of a statement.
I agree about athletes as role models, and I don't give any of them the time of day outside of their sports related acheivements. The thing with Tiger is that his entry into pro golf seems to have been pretty phenomenal. I wasn't aware that he was being lionized for anything beyond that.