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Made in the USA! (Oops.)(13 posts)

Made in the USA! (Oops.)velocity
Jan 24, 2003 8:12 AM
http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/madeinusa_030122.html
Who sent a FedEx letter to cancel a Postal Speech?Alpedhuez55
Jan 24, 2003 8:33 AM
One of my favorites was a few years ago, some politician cancelled a speech he was going to give to the U.S Postal Service Union. The problem is he did it by sending a letter to them using FedEx.

Does anyone remenber who that was? I think it might have been Dole, but I am probably wrong.

Import sales are a big part of the American Economy as well, so I would hardly call that a big mistake. I remember my father got mad at me when I bought my first car, a VW GTI. He acted as if I bought a car from the enemy. My car was built in Wesmoreland, PA. The same month, my sister bought a Chevy Nova. My father told me I should have bought an american car like my sister. The problem was, my sister's Chevy was made in Japan by Toyota. So who's car was more American, my VW or my sister's Chevy?

Mike Y.
No doubt much of what we now consume is from produced overseasvelocity
Jan 24, 2003 9:13 AM
But we like to be in denial about it.

What's disturbing about the President's message is its duplicity. He goes to a small "mom and pop" St. Louis shipping and receiving plant for a speech on the economy. A gigantic banner behind him depicts what looks like real stacked boxes boldly stamped with "MADE IN U.S.A," which is what most American see on TV. The real boxes in front of the podium, though, contain products made in China, in Hong Kong, in Taiwan. But for the photo op, the source of the actual products this plant is routing is hidden, taped over by "an overzealous advance office volunteer."
What Political photo op isn't scriptedAlpedhuez55
Jan 24, 2003 9:44 AM
Look at the Democrat's and their convention in New York City. Their advance people had police sweep the homeless out within a few blocks of the Madison Square Garden area. I remember the picture of Bill and Hillary kissing in their bathing suits a few years ago. I remember saying to myself, something is about to happen here, sure enough a day or two oater, the Lewinsky Scandal broke. Also my Jr. Senator & Presidential Candidate John Kerry showed up for an election year photo op a few years back holding up a big cardboard check to give to a mayor of a local town. THe problem was he had voted against the bill that approved the funds.

This stuff goes on all the time. If you want to try to attack the president, try do it on substance. Attacking him with this photo is much ado about nothing. Sure it is good for a quick chuckle, but dont make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Mike Y.
Hmmm. . .who's making a mountain out of a mole hill?czardonic
Jan 24, 2003 9:57 AM
This was a good chuckle until you piped in with this defensive screed. Bush is a liar. Most politicians are. Bringing up the Clintons every time Bush is caught with his pants down is lame.
Hmmm. . .who's making a mountain out of a mole hill?Alpedhuez55
Jan 24, 2003 11:52 AM
Actually CZ, I made fun of Bob Dole and not Clinton in my initial reply and then related my own MADE IN USA story. Velocity went on the humorless offensive and I replied to it with a political response. I simply responded to it by bringing up a few democratic instances, which included one by the Clintons. I guess the post would have been funnier if I could find that picture if Bill & Hillary in bathing suits.

A few stickers placed on boxes by an advance team is hardly getting caught with his pant's down. THat was the point I was trying to make in my reply. Both parties have done far worse. And despite the hanging curve you just tossed with the "getting caught with pants down" remark, I will refrain from a Clinton/Monica joke. It takes too much of the fun out of it when you say things like that ;-) It is just to easy. THough judging from your response in calling Bush a liar, you should call your congressman and have him request an impeachment trial for this perjury via/stickers.

Politics has become too much about image and not about substance. That is the case in both major parties. They look for photo ops and 10 second sound bites because most people do not read newspapers anymore.
I half thought of that. . .czardonic
Jan 24, 2003 12:16 PM
. . .when I used the "pants down" phrase. But there's really no difference between making a Clinton/Monica joke and alluding to their multitude (especially considering how stale the whole genere is at this point), so don't strain your arm patting yourself on the back for letting the opportunity pass.

Clinton and Hillary's personal life was never the American people's business, and trying to make it so was a dead end for his detractors. When Bush uses misleading props to influence policy decisions, it is the people's business. Nevertheless, since he hasn't told any lies under oath, he hasn't committed perjury.
Have to differ on one pointAlpedhuez55
Jan 24, 2003 1:00 PM
CZ, you said "Clinton and Hillary's personal life was never the American people's business, and trying to make it so was a dead end for his detractors."

They were the ones who who made it an issue. THey would be more visible as a couple a few days before every deposition in sexual harrassment suits. It would be Hillary going on a talk show gushing about when they first met or that photo of them kissing on a beach before the Lewinsky Scandal Broke. THey made their marriage an issue with these photo ops or media love ins. THey turned their personal life into a public issue when they went public with it. It is like a celebrity tipping off the paparazzi when they are going to a restaurant with their new partner, then complaing about never having privacy on ET the next week. They used their marraige as a prop to try to decieve the American people, just like that Bush Aide did with the stickers.

I agree that the stickers are a misleading prop. I have worked on enough campaigns to see many instances like this. I think you are overestimating their impact though.

Mike Y.
Point taken.czardonic
Jan 24, 2003 1:37 PM
But you have to admit that Bush is ill served by comparison of his policy presentation to Clinton's damage control on the eve of a scandal. I think that is my whole point on the Clinton comparison. If you really think Clinton was a villian, it isn't saying much to simply point out that Bush is better.
Point taken.Alpedhuez55
Jan 24, 2003 4:44 PM
Clinton is just the easiest target and the last president. I also think Bush & Clinton are very different men who held the same office, so it is natural to compare them. The only other Demoratic president I remember was Carter. I kind of like Jimmy Carter. I think he was a very honest man but not the best president. I actually have a couple of his book on fishing & the outdoors. They are pretty good.

I don't consider Clinton a Villian. He was flawed man but not an evil man and I have no hatred towards him. He got impeached because he tried to cover up one of his character flaws rather than admit to it. Plus he lies about his golf scores ;) I agreed with him on some issues and disagreed on others. But I never disagreed with a position because of the he was president but think some people on this board do that. When I bring Clinton up it is usually to point out things like hypocracy of some Democrat's positions, such as carefully staged photo ops & media manipulation or the lack of Democratic opposition to his bombings of Iraq in 1998 on the eve of his impeachment trial when someone accuses Bush of wagging the dog. And remember, my original "Stickergate" comparison was to a Republican.

CZ think if you look at my posts, I do not always tow the party line. I have called Dan Quayle Clueless, complained about Bush(Sr)'s pardons of Iran Contra figures, argued against tax breaks for Big SUV's and taken a few other positions that are far from the perceived Republican party line. I try to call them as I see them, we just see things differently. I also think some people on this board are so blinded with dislike for the president or the Republicans that they let it impare their judgement on issues.

As for the stickers, it was a stupid mistake made by the advance team. I doubt the President had anything to do with that decision. This is closer to the FedEx letter to the postal union than the Bathing Suit pictures. That stuff happens every day, and far worse mistake have been made. On a scale of 1 to 10, this is about a 1 or 2. You would be better off attacking the speech than the stickers though.

As for stickers I will have to see if I can find one of my friend's bumper stickers. He ran for a county Office a few years ago and had bumperstickers made. He had a logo with a red, white & blue Flag motif. The only problem with them was the printer he went to outsourced them to a Candian Company. All of his stickers & signs had Made in Canada with a little Maple Leaf on them.

Have a good weekend. It might reach 30 this Boston weekend, so I may finally bundle up and go for a ride!!!

Mike Y.
They done worse than Boxgate, yepvelocity
Jan 24, 2003 2:08 PM
I do seem to have misplaced my sense o' humor. Visiting this non-cycling side in the winter seems to be robbing me of it! Not a good sign with a weekend about to start.

Boxgate is more of a hillock than a mountain. Clooney's flippant comments about Heston was a molehill.

What's the Bush administration gonna do about the economy? Stand the President in front of faux MADE IN USA boxes and do trickle-down redux. Dance to the right, dance the right...
When people are proud of what they are doing...Spoke Wrench
Jan 24, 2003 9:39 AM
They don't feel a need to obscure it.
I thought the worse was..ClydeTri
Jan 27, 2003 9:30 AM
When Clinton went to Normandy to celebrate the 50th anniversary of D Day, they had video of him walking along the beach in a pensive mood, he comes across some rocks, he stops and makes a cross out of them..all shot by the press from a distance...comes to find out, it was a staged photo-op and the rocks had been placed there on purpose for that purposed by his political operatives and it was totally planned..