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So who is the dumbest?(20 posts)

So who is the dumbest?Sintesi
Jan 23, 2003 3:59 PM
Came across this and thought of all my chums here instantly.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bliq-bush.htm

From Immelman's article:

"But we do know that the young Bush registered a score of 1206 on the SAT, the most widely used test of college aptitude. (The more cerebral Al Gore obtained 1355.)

Statistically, Bush's test performance places him in the top 16 percent of prospective college students — hardly the mark of a dimwit."

Okay he's not the dumbest (maybe the least articulate?) but doesn't that beg the question? Of course, by the same token, many of you will beg to differ entirely.

Who is the dumbest?
re: So who is the dumbest?sn69
Jan 23, 2003 4:43 PM
I gotta wonder about Ol' Herbie Hoover. He had to be low on the scale, particularly compared to Wilson.

Then again if memory serves, I only got an 1100 on my second attempt at the SATs. It helps to take it without a hangover, you know.

You want demoralizing? Try taking the MENSA aptitude test with your wife who also happens to be a molecular biologist. Ooof.
In view of this, I think Bush's flaw is not his capacity. . .czardonic
Jan 23, 2003 4:45 PM
. . .but the amount of it that seems to be wasted. Apparently he has no excuse for his lack luster grades or his reliance on privilege rather than personal accomplishment to advance himself. He has no excuse for sounding like (if not actually being) an ignoramus.

Maybe I am unwittingly answering your question when I admit that I don't get what you are asking. Who is the dumbest among whom, exactly? (Or should those both be "who"? Or "whom"?)
Heh. I just answered my own question.czardonic
Jan 23, 2003 4:47 PM
Who was the dumbest President. Never mind.
Off the top of my head,mickey-mac
Jan 23, 2003 5:35 PM
I'd go with Warren G. Harding as the least intelligent president of the past 100 years.
A couple of quotes to consider.jesse1
Jan 24, 2003 4:38 AM
"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it." - -Al Gore, Vice President

"I love California. I practically grew up in Phoenix." -- Dan Quayle, VP
Ha! Bring on the Dan Quayle quotes...Matno
Jan 24, 2003 5:36 AM
Much as I love the guy, he sure has a hard time saying what he means (or something like that). There are tons of great quotes out there. Wish I could remember more of them!
Here they aremickey-mac
Jan 24, 2003 6:17 AM
The first is one of my favorites:

http://www.sph.umich.edu/~rwatt/quayle.htm
That quote isn't Gore's, is it? I thought that I remember thatbill
Jan 24, 2003 6:10 AM
from somebody else. While we're on the subject, didn't Reagan attribute pollution to trees?
Heard it on Imus just about 4 weeks ago...jesse1
Jan 24, 2003 6:25 AM
...and as far as trees causing pollution - you ought to see what they do to my yard every October!
It's quayleDuane Gran
Jan 24, 2003 7:15 AM
From the link Mickey-Mac provided, it was actually Quayle who made that statement about pollution.
No. Gore, Quayle and George W. Bush!DJB
Jan 24, 2003 7:28 AM
If you do a Google or Yahoo search for "It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it", you'll find sites that attribute it to Gore, Quayle and GWB.

Which one is right?
I certainly heard it before Gore was VP, and for all the thingsbill
Jan 24, 2003 8:46 AM
that Gore might mangle, an environmental issue probably isn't one of them.
My recollection says Quayle. I guess that I don't recall hearing him say it, so it may be apocryphal, but I don't think so.
urban legend?Duane Gran
Jan 24, 2003 11:09 AM
Well, we don't have an authoritative source to point to, so we might not know the answer. Personally I would doubt that Gore would say such a thing. For all his faults (and we all have faults) he is generally elequent.
Yeah, but...jesse1
Jan 25, 2003 11:50 AM
...I don't remember his exact words, but didn't he take credit for the creation of the internet?
Gore did not take credit for the creation of the Internet in thebill
Jan 26, 2003 10:45 AM
sense of implying that he had anything to do with the science or technical aspects of it. But, when Gore was on some Congressional Committee, he is acknowldged to have seen the possibilities and to have been instrumental in some legislation that made the Internet possible. So, to the extent that Congress helped create the Internet, arguably no one did more than Gore. And that's all he ever really said. I forget all the details, but they've been vetted, and the story holds up.
Gore was possibly his own worst enemy in that campaign.
Bushcarnageasada
Jan 24, 2003 6:03 AM
One of my father's closest friends is a petrochemical lobbyist and goes to Bush's church in Austin. Obviously my father's friend, a former Du pont exec, has a biased point of view but he swears that Bush is extremely intelligent and brilliant in conversation. And that for the most part Bush is portrayed as stupid by the media for entertainment purposes.

That conversation has made me realize that as horrible as I feel about President Bush's policies regarding the environment and the economy, it's unfair to call him stupid. Labelling him as a corporate whore, a polluter, a greedy oil man, well that's another matter.
hmmDougSloan
Jan 24, 2003 7:21 AM
I once dated a MENSA member who could demoralize me in some board games. It was amazing how many moves ahead she could visualize ahead, like in chess, and just trounce me. However, she couldn't figure out how to get the toast out of a toaster. When it came to everyday life smarts, she was dumb as a rock. I never could understand how that works.

I think it's clear that Bush is no dummy, at least by any objective standard. 84th percentile SAT and a Harvard MBA, if he were an un-villianized Democrat, would be seen as respectably intelligent.

He's not the most articulate smooth talker, but how much does that really have to do with intelligence and being a good person? I doubt the Left wants to start claiming that anyone with some "articulation deficits" is stupid; that's very un-PC, isn't it?

Doug
Bush is brilliant at playing the fooltorquer
Jan 24, 2003 8:03 AM
Granted he was the beneficiary of ruling class affirmative action, or, as was said of either him or his father (by Ann Richards, as I recall), was born on third base but struts around like he hit a triple, but he has to have some smarts to have survived so long in such prominent positions. A big part of his continued success is due to reporters buying-in to this image of the language-challenged ex-frat boy, and therefore excusing "misstatements" about Enron, Iraq, or whatever as inconsequential or endearing, instead of calling them what they are: LIES.
This L-word was aptly described recently as the third rail of political reporting, although you would think the bar had been lowered after the "liberal media" (Roger Ailes' Fox News? New York Post? Wall Street Journal's editorial page?) was finished with the Clintons. But, if some people didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any standards at all.

BTW, about that Harvard MBA: my wife is an executive recruiter (MBA fom another Ivy), and she says in no uncertain terms that Harvard MBAs are universally loathed as arrogant jerks with big plans for themselves but little regard for the long-term success of the unfortunate firm being used as their latest stepping stone on the path to total world domination. However, this does sound like the perfect preparation for a career in politics, at least as presently practiced.
come on now dougColnagoFE
Jan 24, 2003 8:22 AM
articulation deficits? that's like saying clinton had a moral deficit problem. let's get real. bush's job is president of the us. i would think that being articulate would be part of the job description and not a "nice to have' quality. the fact that he got a MBA from harvard doesn't really mean much given all his family's influence and financial resources to help him out. what was his grade point average again at yale? i thought it was midpoint at best. you gotta wonder how he ever got into harvard MBA...you think george senior might have pulled a few strings?