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DeathWoof the dog
Dec 13, 2002 2:30 AM
Is it evil? Physical suffering due to other's actions - is it evil? Is there anything that is bad in the world?

The problem is that IF I know my close relative is slowly dying, do I consider the cause a bad thing or do I accept it as nothing? We all will die some day, right?

From that it appears that love for the other is not exactly the greatest thing around. It is our nature to discriminate by loving our closest and not caring for somebody we don't even know. I guess love is an emotional attachment, but sometimes i realize it is unfair to love one person and not the other. sad sad sad

Also the other day I thought how great it would be if people themselves did not create these cultural walls, like blacks and whites for example do all the friggin time. Whats up with this rap and metal music? These days any negativity in music I take as a sign of some kind of inferiority complex all the minorities develop.

Fair enough, I've met plenty of people of other race and ethnicity, but sometimes I am just pissed at why there are so many different customs, likes and dislikes, behavior. I am yet to meet a black person with the same interests as mine.

Difference is good from the point that it helps us as a whole to be open to new ideas but in my experience it doesn't do shit in helping out to bring people together. Its kind of like saying, wow their ways are interesting, and leaving it at that without trying to integrate. I think we all should be assimilated.

anything to add to my free thought process?

Woof the dog.
re: DeathCaptain Morgan
Dec 13, 2002 7:41 AM
A few things about your post.

First, it sounds like you are in favor of assimilation, as long as everybody else assimilates to YOUR customs and interests. Why don't you be the one to change YOUR behaviors in order to assimilate to THEIRS. Now that's a different story, isn't it?

Secondly, regarding death, there have been billions of people who have lived and died on this earth, and none of them has been able to escape the eventuality of death. If I ever figure a way out of it, I'll be sure to let you know.
assimilationWoof the dog
Dec 14, 2002 8:20 PM
"Why don't you be the one to change YOUR behaviors in order to assimilate to THEIRS."

I'd like to think that my behavior, my interests are more mature, more thorough, more sophisticated. At least I strive to become better as a person, and not in terms of how many bitches are in my crib and how many fast cars are in my garage. This is what mainstream culture is and that is why I dislike it. I would like to spend my life with people of the same (or higher) level of education and morals, not in the culture that overlooks more important aspects of our existence and instead concentrates on some kind of barbarism, if that is even a word. You see, its kind of like comparing an agnostic to a true believer in Christ. Agnostic can see many aspects of different religions (if he's studied them), he can integrate and borrow. He can respect many different religions, while a Christian can only go a short way by mainly following the Bible.

Just attempt to answer this: Why is Christ in particular so special to people? Why not read about Buddha or Sky gods, or Vishnu, etc? And the same thing goes for everything else people do, not necessarily a religion.

Regarding death, i think we are on the same wavelength.

Woof the dog.
Christ is special...Wayne
Dec 16, 2002 8:01 AM
because if you buy into it, you get to believe you are escaping death.
And the real beauty of it is, that even if you bought into a fairy tale there's no possibility of you ever knowing you were wrong!
Christ is special...Woof the dog
Dec 16, 2002 10:31 PM
kind of like saying that Cheeseburgers are a real beauty. We can worship cheeseburgers and not ever know we were wrong.

Woof the cat.
You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. -- The BorgOldEdScott
Dec 16, 2002 11:24 AM
Woof, you're one of the most bigotted people I've ever heard!Spoke Wrench
Dec 29, 2002 5:35 AM
You can't even tolerate somebody having their bicycle wheels crossed differently from you quietly.
that's a number of subjectsDougSloan
Dec 13, 2002 8:01 AM
As we all know, we all die. Our bodies wear out or are prematurely extinguished. I think most of us value the concept of living a naturally long life. When that is taken from us, we don't like it. When someone is murdered, taken in a car accident, or gets a mortal disease, we inately and almost universally think it's bad, sometimes evil.

Human life is very fragile. One moment it exists, the next it's gone, and gone forever. At times, like 9/11, wars, great famines, etc., it almost seems like life is devalued. There are so many people on the earth that any individual life can't be worth that much, can it? (rhetorical ?). Yet, if we don't value life, then what *is* valuable? We have nothing else, except faith, for many of us.

We feel an overwhelming sense of loss when someone close to us dies. This sense is worse when the death is premature, and particularly so when it's unjust or unfair. Usually, I think the sense of loss is really sort of a selfish feeling; the dead person likely to have gone to a better place. When people I know have died, I feel that sense of loss, but more importantly to me I feel for those living people who will miss them. I grieve for the survivors, not the dead.

Suffering is a bad thing, regardless of the result. We don't like to see anyone suffer. Is death preferable to continued suffering? I don't know, but I think most people tend to think so. We have a very difficult time making those sort of assessments; we don't like to "play God."

Value life. It's all we have on this earth, IMHO.

Doug
I would also add...Jon Billheimer
Dec 13, 2002 12:39 PM
value our shared similarities. I understand the intuition behind the "assimilation" comments. We all want to feel connected as well as to feel understood. We identify our own traits and characteristics in others and thus feel a common humanity and shared bond. This is a good thing. This is part of what the spirit of Christmas is about.
PermissionStarliner
Dec 13, 2002 9:36 PM
Your post is a nice change of pace from the tedious, no-win fencing matches being played out by Czardonic and his opponents. As Jon mentioned, this is a good time of year to reflect upon the 'why' questions about life.

Death is a part of life, so we all might as well accept it. For some of us, it comes sooner than expected, so we might as well be prepared for this, too. I lost my father this past spring; he had Parkinson's which took its toll on him for his last 10 years or so. He was one who didn't like to face the fact of death and fought to stay alive until the end. Yet his body became so broken down, it was in fact a blessing when he passed on, because pretty much all that was left of him was his spirit, and by my personal belief I knew that it was time for his spirit to separate away from his broken down body and return to whatever heavenly destination he was heading to. So I was fine with his passing. Regarding the Parkinson's, I haven't looked at it as the evil which cut his life short; it's just something which became a part of his life which he had to deal with. And in so doing, he provided opportunities for those who cared enough to notice to become inspired with the way he bravely faced up to the lousy hand he was dealt. I can say that he played it out as well as anyone could have expected him to, and the lessons that came from his experience were in their own way as golden as they come.

Life for me is about living in the present and allowing the past to pass. It's about boundaries, which provide a structure for permission and acceptance for others and for your own self as well.

The freedom that comes from permission and acceptance is not the same as freedom that comes from money. Something to think about...
That was well written. NMSteveS
Dec 14, 2002 2:07 PM
Inspiring. Thanks. nmLen J
Dec 17, 2002 4:32 AM
I think you have some interesting questionscarnageasada
Dec 14, 2002 5:17 PM
There's a book called the Denial of Death by Ernest Becker that tries to tackle some of those death issues. Martin Heidegger tackled some of them too but he's a very difficult read. Those guys might help with some of your generalities.

You mentioned that maybe someone close to you is dying and whether or not the cause was a bad thing or something you should accept. I think it would depend on the cause. Dying from smoking or alcohol should generally be viewed as a bad thing. Leukemia or Parkinson's, well, I still think they're bad but . . . accepting fate may help at some point.

I'm sorry that you have not met a black person with the same interests as your own. I hope someday you find a black person who shares his interests with you. I know what you're thinking: there are cultural differences between races and it is futile to pretend there are no cultural walls. However, underneath it all we share the same fates and emotions and that I think is a bond easy to underestimate.

As for assimilation, it would have some advantages. Take fairly homogenous Sweden for example. A great place. I love that country and I do admit I'm a little jealous that socialist cuckoo clock policies that tick and tock so wonderful over there would die miserable, riotous death here because we have such an ethnically diverse population.

But our food is so much better. We have BBQ ribs, tacos, burritos, chicken chimichanga's (my personal favorite), hamburgers, fried chicken, baked chicken, sushi, sweet and sour pork, crab Rangoons, Pad Thai, chicken Tandoori with naan, steak fajitas, red beans and rice--all these foods can cause some stomaches but I humbly beleive it's better than eating Swedish Meatballs the majority of the time.

Also good Swedish Vodka is cheaper here than it is over there.
I think you have some interesting questionsWoof the dog
Dec 14, 2002 8:42 PM
Damn, that food sounds so good to dog's empty stomach, especially after a 2 hour ride on rollers.

Now, there is a reason why we can get all this food, isn't there?

You are right about us being the same underneath, but the problem is that an average person in any culture including ours is not concerned with anybody but himself and his relatives. It doesn't matter how much you can tell them skin color makes no difference.

That is not to say I am smart or anything. A dog after all.

Sincerely

Woof, the dog that is about to eat a shitload of that green horseradish stuff that comes with sushi.