RoadBikeReview.com's Forum Archives - Non-Cycling Discussions


Archive Home >> Non-Cycling Discussions(1 2 3 4 )


Eager Beagle...(4 posts)

Eager Beagle...sn69
Dec 12, 2002 4:50 PM
Any news of reserve mobilization on your end?

Scott
Depends what you meanEager Beagle
Dec 13, 2002 1:29 AM
- it's a bit of a term of art.

For the reservists to be properly mobilized here, the Queen's Order has to be signed. That means in essence that parliament activates the relevent legislation meaning that reservists are pretty much compelled to turn out, and that empolyers have to protect job rights, promotions etc etc. That's a big deal, and has not yet looked anything like happening. That said, about 6 months ago or so there was a rash of newspapers stories about it happening, but they faded as fast as they arrived.

However, the reality of the situation is that the UK Forces are now so small and so stretched, having been cut and cut for years, that even regular forces on routine deployments are already backfilled by volunteer reservists. Bosnia for example was full of them. Certainly the Intel community is completely reliant on them,and the infantry is so undermanned that they will have to rely heavily too.

To give you an idea, you may have heard that the Army has been covering for the Firemen during recent strikes. That soaked up 20% of the available manpower.

So to sum up, the suitwearing full time worker reservist hasn't even been told to standby yet (save for a few specialists), but the usual "full-time reservists" are already in action. I suspect little change, as we will probably do our usual trick of "contributing significantly to C3 functions", as even if we did fully mobilize, we would probably just about get one fat useless battalion on the ground.

What about your end?
Depends what you meansn69
Dec 13, 2002 5:57 AM
Wow...I thought we were in bad shape. 12 years of atrophy and increased OpTempo have left our services equally stretched from the personnel standpoint alone, although the firefighter strike that you're suffering through adds a whole new dimension. I won't even get into equipment. Prior to 9-11 all four services were facing a retention crisis of untold proportion. That abated breifly but is starting to pick up momentum again as people leave frustrated by extended, poorly supported deployments.

Our drilling reservists are being told to expect mobilization, but nothing more than that. I doubt that the National Guard has been told to expect much, yet.... Again, it's hard to tell how much of the rhetoric is brinksmanship and how much is sincere. Some key indicators are there but others are not.

In the Navy, we have a lot of the C3I types, but our largest mobilized groups since 9-11 have been force protection people, ostensibly providing additional station security (our Navy has a pitifully small full time police force, as opposed to the Marines, the Army of the Air Farce).

On a positive note (warning: cynical content ahead), we all get free Christmas/Hannukah/Ramadan/Kwanzaa smallpox shots.

...So we've got that going for us....
Free jabs - hurrah!Eager Beagle
Dec 13, 2002 6:59 AM
if it's free have it!

Apparently, I am supposed to declare my seasonal flu job as a tax-deductable benefit. Yeah, right - find some else with a sore throat to protect the nation...

Well, let's hope it's better than the stuff we got in the Gulf - last tested on pit ponies in the 1930s - 1/2 the guys that got a shot were so sick they could hardly stand..

Most of our peacetime force protection is carries out by a bunch of retired guys who are paid nearly nothing to suppliment their long service pensions. You can imagine...