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Installing hardware...best way to locate drill points??(10 posts)

Installing hardware...best way to locate drill points??Kristin
Oct 18, 2002 6:41 AM
Okay, I'm installing all my hardware this weekend. Anyone have good tips for locating and marking the drill points on the draws and doors? (If I do it my way, I'm fixing to have pencil all over the place.)

Also, I need opinions:

My cabinet doors are fairly sloppy and don't line up. Some door edges are off by as much a 1/2 inch. I'm placing the knobs on the inside, bottom corner of each door. So, should I...

1. Line the knobs up so that they are even with each other (but attached at different points each cabinet door) ~or~

2. Place the knobs in exactly the same spot on each cabinet door, even though the knobs won't line up with each other. ~or~

3. Re-mount all the doors and line them up? (These aren't self adjusting doors. And it looks like this will be a lot of work and leave a lot of new holes in my cabinets.)
re: Installing hardware...best way to locate drill points??PaulCL
Oct 18, 2002 7:20 AM
Measure twice, cut or drill once.

I would remount the doors and put the knobs in exactly the same place on each door. If you don't, you will hate the results and eventually re-do it anyway.

To locate the proper points, measure up and measure across and draw two lines. Drill at the intersection. For the uneven doors, either remount them or put wedges under the hinges (wedges can be wood, cardboard, etc..) Good luck. Paul
stopmohair_chair
Oct 18, 2002 7:27 AM
If your cabinet doors are fairly sloppy and don't line up, call the builder up and demand he fix them. How does any carpenter get away with installing doors 1/2 inch off?

Check your plumbing. I hope your drains aren't off 1/2 inch.
NOOOOOOOKristin
Oct 18, 2002 7:54 AM
I don't want those people in my home again. Whenever they come to fix one thing, they break three more!! Last week they came back because someone had done a sloppy job adhering the tub surround--it couldn't be recaulked, needed replacing. They did a beautiful job putting the new surround in, but they left dried, smeared glue on everything...molding, surround, tub. I'm still not sure how to get that off. I'm going to have to sand and repaint the entire molding around the tub which was left chipped and knicked. AND they cracked the tub!!!! I found the crack on my own the next day. Now, I know that one shouldn't stand on the side of a fiberglass tub. Why don't they know that? Yesterday, I found another chip inside the tub where someone evidently dropped a tool.

If I keep bringing them back I'll eventually end up with a pile of rubble for a home. They are either incompitent or uncareful. One thing is for sure, they are unwelcome. I'll handle the rest by myself.

Please don't mention the fact that sloppy contractors probably means lost of repair headaches down the road. I'd like to live in denial for and pretend my home is perfect for at least two years.
Ever see the Money Pit? nmNo_sprint
Oct 18, 2002 9:48 AM
re: Installing hardware...best way to locate drill points??Ironbutt
Oct 18, 2002 4:16 PM
Kristin,

Go to a good hardware store (NOT a Home Depot, or the ilk) and ask for a self-centering punch. This is a small center punch that is within a sleeve with a tapered end. You just locate the hardware where you want it, place the tapered end of the punch in the hole of the hinge and tap the punch lightly with a small hammer. Self aligning, and almost guaranteed to put the mark where you want it. Beware, though because it will leave a small indentation in the surface of the cabinet, door jamb, or whatever.

Regarding the cabinet doors, take whatever time it takes to align them properly before you install the pulls or any other hardware. The doors need to line up on the cabinets, and the hardware (usually) needs to align as well. If you are going for an avant-garde look, you can deliberately misalign them, but you may regret this after time. Usually quirky design and execution looks good for a while, then wears thin.

Above all, remember that this sort of work is time consuming but actually is within the capacity of almost anyone who is willing to take the time to do it right. All that you have to do is to decide on the look that you want, and take the time to achieve it. Patience is the watchword, as well as remembering Philippians 3:16. Hang in there! It's way easier than it looks!
Make yourself a gauge for locating cabinet pulls.Spoke Wrench
Oct 19, 2002 5:33 AM
Take a square piece of cardboard and punch a hole in it where you want the door pull to be. Then you can hold it up to the corner of the door and mark the hole so they will all be the same.

The "A" answer is obviously to get all of the cabinet doors mounted correctly. Lacking that, mount the pulls in the same spot on each cabinet door. Mounting the door pulls a fixed distance from the floor will just draw your eye to the poor door positioning.
AgreedKristin
Oct 21, 2002 6:22 AM
Thanks for all the good advice! I've decided to remount all the doors. I started checking the hinges. Some doors have the same kind two types of hinges installed!!! ARGGGGGGGhhhhh! Well, what am I gonna do? There is no way I could have known this before purchasing as nothing was installed yet. I was Shanghi'd. The doors are all level, but one up mounted way up here, while another is mounted way down there. I'm a perfectionist with no experience. How long do you think it will take me to do 26 doors? I'm thinking three month project.
You've made the right decisionjtolleson
Oct 22, 2002 4:54 PM
I'm a very impatient person by nature, so that is the kind of project that would make me SCREAM but it is also the kind of project that once I invest the resources and do right, I can't imagine having done otherwise.

Not that you are thinking about resale (or even how much guests will "ooo and ahh") but seriously those little aesthetic touches speak volumes to home people view your space. And how YOU will view your space.

Good luck!
26 doors!Spoke Wrench
Oct 23, 2002 5:01 AM
I'd take the time to fabricate a gauge for that too. When you're in an akward position, it's pretty hard to measure closer than +- 1/16" accuracy. I kind of suspect that's what the original installers did wrong in the first place. If you can make a gauge that clamps onto the cabinet shell and holds the doors the same distance from from the bottom, it will be lots easier to remount them more uniformly.