|Profile the Sniper...||jose_Tex_mex|
Oct 11, 2002 9:15 AM
|Who do you think this psycho is? Do you think it could be low level terrorism? Why kill people at the gas station? The area this is occurring in is a heavily high tech/defense contracting/ military area. Could this be a disgruntled worker?
My vote is a white boy, in his 30's, well educated, who lost his job because of the economy and is pissed off at the attention being paid to Iraq.
|I would not be suprised if...||PsyDoc|
Oct 11, 2002 9:44 AM
|...the sniper is: White male, 24-35 years old, family man, "squeamish"...your basic average-looking guy. The reason I think he is squeamish is that he puts as much distance between him and the intended victim. Also, he does not hang around after the victim is shot; "BANG" then in his vehicle and he is gone.|
|"surprised" that is...||PsyDoc|
Oct 11, 2002 9:46 AM
|...it's been a long week as Sean (now 7.5 months old) has the croup.|
|That seems like an insightful analysis...||Wayne|
Oct 11, 2002 9:48 AM
|except I think he'll be more of a social misfit. I can't imagine him having a family that he is still in close contact with (other than parents). Especially since he's persisted and seems to be playing a game with the cops.|
|I think he's also squemish about shooting women and children||Kristin|
Oct 11, 2002 11:00 AM
|The shootings became more spaced out after he shot the two women. I think he has a profile, or list, in his mind of who he must kill...this many men, this many women, this many children, and what locations and where geographically. All of the adult men he has shot have died. The boy and one woman lived. I think he feels he needs to shoot women and children, but that his conscience is troubling him about this.
Why gas stations & schools and grocery stores? I think this sends a message. Everyone if vulnerable. We all will need to pump gas at some point. He's striking in places that we really can't avoid or predict. Except for the Michaels stores...which is peculiar.
|If you're in your 30's are you a...||Wayne|
Oct 11, 2002 9:44 AM
|a white boy? Or did you mean "white boy" like someone might call a hispanic a spic or wetback?
Why would media attention regarding Iraq piss someone off?
Good call on losing his job, as I think there's usually a big stessor that drives someone predisposed to commit a violent crime like this over the edge.
Educated? I don't know, he seems pretty adept at avoiding getting caught but I would think a less educated person might be more inclined to blame the world for his troubles (assuming that's what this guy is doing) and want to get back at it/them in a violent way.
|If you're in your 30's are you a...||jose_Tex_mex|
Oct 11, 2002 12:20 PM
|Line 1 - You're reading in to it too much.
Line 2 - F*ck Iraq, get the economy going. If I had lost my job and all the hype was about Iraq with no mention of nearly two "bad years" I might be pissed off. Seeing how there's an oil connection between the Bush's, Saddam, and Iraq, one might be inclined to include gas stations in the attacks.
As for education, that whole beltway area is chock full of techies and yuppies. Try and buy a house for 300,000 and see what it gets you. There's a lot of beltway bandits (defense contractors) who employ many big salary people. Given the % of these people I played the probability that this person was well educated. However, maybe it's a dumb local who is tired of the urban sprawl.
|Ex-military, or possibly a wanna-be. (nm)||czardonic|
Oct 11, 2002 10:23 AM
|Possible police academy drop out or rejected by PD. -nm||Tig|
Oct 12, 2002 7:53 PM
|Not first generation American||tao|
Oct 11, 2002 10:45 AM
|The card he left was addressed "Policeman". The singular form is not common usage in the States. Police, or less likely Policemen, is the norm. No acceptable p.c. form is yet to take hold, and the sex of the form may offer a clue as well. He knows more than one person is one the case and is attempting to mock them all. Singular usage in this instance suggests English as a second or third language, and perhaps misogyny as well.
Less important, he's not a big (American) sports fan. He referred to himself in the first person, whereas sports personalities and their fanatics often reference in the third person. While this could give him away, an alias or media nickname, would also suffice. The intentional use of the first person could also be a ploy to focus attention on a single individual, while the facts of the quick getaways more than suggests the potential for a second person acting as driver/lookout.
|Not first generation American||August West|
Oct 11, 2002 11:22 AM
|Interesting thought.. though some schizo may not care about grammar. I thought the tendency to attack from afar pointed to a lack of social skills, along with the fact that he doesn't relate the his victim at all, just picks them out. It's not like he tries to lure people into a white van.
Snipers in the military usually work in pairs. Spotter and shooter. Let's hope so. Two people would be easier to catch than a lone gunman. If he were alone, he could quit today and we'd likely never find him.
What's with targeting gas stations ayway. Are they just conveniently close to escape routes?
|Why target gas stations?||AllisonHayes|
Oct 11, 2002 11:34 AM
|i What's with targeting gas stations anyway? |
My take is that you are a stationary target - easy prey for this sob.
|Also, they tend to be near major highways. Easy get-away. (nm)||czardonic|
Oct 11, 2002 12:06 PM
|Not in that area... Very decentralized.||jose_Tex_mex|
Oct 11, 2002 12:32 PM
|Traffic inside the beltway is normally a nightmare. 95, 66, Leesburg Pike, et al can easily be at a standstill especially on a rainy day.
I am surprised to see they did not catch him today. The whole area is very decentralized. Other than the highways, the throughput on secondary roads is not as good as other areas comparable in size.
I just cannot believe they were not able to shut the area down and catch this f#cker today. There's always so much traffic - they wouldn't have to change much.
|He's definately not schizophrenic||Kristin|
Oct 11, 2002 11:51 AM
|I know you weren't serious, but people with mental disease do not have the control over their behaviors/reactions that this person(s) does. This is an individual with a fully functioning brain. He sense of right and wrong, morality and conscience are extremely damaged...but that's different.
A blind guess from someone who knows nothing:
A he. Acting alone. This person is not socially awkward outwardly, but feels like a misfit. Recent troubles probably include the loss of income, a divorce/separation or some other marrital difficulty and the death of a past abuser (most likely a grandfather). He likely feels injured/abandoned by the whole world and internally justifies his actions. He's an extreme non-confrontational passive/aggressive who seeks out targets after being triggered by an individual who he can't confront. I believe that chooses targets that represent the person he feels has injured him. He compulsively blames others and is unable to accept responsibility for his actions.
|He's definately not schizophrenic||August West|
Oct 11, 2002 12:23 PM
|Yeah, wasn't offering a diagnosis, but your description sounds more like Andrea Yates.
You're right though, he was funtioning in society until something set him off. Probably marginalized by society and thus the indiscriminant killing. He's really pissed at the world and is gonna show everyone he's got something to say. My guess is there is more in the way of notes that we don't know about.
|I think he's been trained to kill||carnageasada|
Oct 11, 2002 11:15 AM
|I know the media says different but I think he/she's had military training. It's very hard to shoot someone. Even a pyschopath with an accurate weapon should miss more than this guy/girl. There were some gang bangers that lived down the street from me. One had an Uzi and one a glock. Despite emptying their clips and being less than thirty feet apart, neither one hit the other. Your heart rate explodes, your fingers sweat. Even a marksmen on a range will miss an easy shot at a deer. Military.|
Oct 11, 2002 11:42 AM
|This guy is a trained killer. His kill rate is extremely high. He knows what he is doing. He is more concerned with picking a spot where he is guaranteed of a good shot and being able to escape. |
He is also a sociopath. He doesn't care who he kills.
I would think he is a disgruntled ex-military, ex-police or survivalist type. The key is that he is sociopathic and is very dangerous.
What I find terrifying is the frequency of his killings. He is on a rampage. He has been planning this for some time.
I doubt he will be taken alive - he will either shoot himself or will die in a firefight.
|Doesn't necessarily have to be a trained killer||RoyGBiv|
Oct 13, 2002 2:02 PM
|My dad could bag mallards in flight from 40 yards with his pump gun and he wasn't a trained killer. I well imagine that any person with a steady hand, a spotting scope on a good riifle and a bit of training/practice could do what the guy in Washington is doing. Interesting how many assume he' s a white guy. Its' the first thing I thought of: This could only be the work of a deranged white guy. |
For a while there it looked like he was on a roll. Every day or every other day he was shooting. That suggested to me he was running out of control. But he seems to have cooled it these past few days. This suggests he has some presence of mnd, which makes it all the more scary.
Wonder what makes him tick?
|I think her point was that its mentally difficult to shoot people||Kristin|
Oct 14, 2002 6:48 AM
|My parents are both trained riflmen(women) and could easily make a clean human kill based on skill alone. However its emotionally difficult to shoot and kill an innocent human being as neatly as this guy is without ever having killed before.
Don't most serial killers kill in stages? i.e. start with animals, get comfortable with that, and then move up the psychopath evolutionary ladder towards humans. Perhaps I've watched too many episodes of The Profiler, but it makes sense that a sociopath's first human killings will be a little sloppy because they're nervous/uncomfortable. These killings are like that--which could support the idea that the killer has shot people in the past, either as a job or as practice for this.
Oct 11, 2002 12:27 PM
|He might have training, however, it really depends on what he's shooting.
Handguns are not easy to shoot, 30 feet is a decent distance to shoot from. If the glock was a high caliber or the one you have to squeeze the handle in order to fire, I would be surprised if a gang banger could hit the target.
As for the Uzi, again no surprise here. The Uzi is a "room broom" - an assassins gun. It's purpose is for someone to bust in to a room, make one pass from left to right, and throw out a lot of bullets. Hitting and killing everyone with one pass.
However, if you ever fire a rifle, like the Colt Match - different story. I could take someone who never fired anything but a water pistol and put them in front of a target at 30ft and would be surprised if they did not put every bullet in to the area of their fist. It is that easy and accurate.
Then again, Mannassas is about 10 miles from the Pentagon, close to Quantico, and nearby many military installations. Who knows?
|how about a deranged cyclist??||jose_Tex_mex|
Oct 11, 2002 12:39 PM
|I am not trying to be flip. However, think about this:
1) You could cycle many places in the N. VA area faster than traveling by car by using the Washington and Old Dominion Trail. It's very flat and almost zero hills.
2) The guy does not like gas stations and cyclist often express their distaste for auto's.
3) Everyone is looking for a white van. However, any cyclist in that area will often feel that cars just don't notice cyclists. Point being - there's white vans everywhere - look outside your window now and you will probably see one. If he didn't want to be noticed he could just ride up on his bike, shoot, break weapon down, and ride away.
How many of us have cycled right through streets where the cops are blocking traffic?
|breaking down a rifle?||blehargh|
Oct 15, 2002 10:55 PM
|just curious, how small can you break down a rifle? Can it be fit into a backpack or something?
it looks prett hard to do considering the long barrel, but i don't know guns well.
I think this guy is fairly smart. he's changed his tactics while watching the news.
1) once stories of geographic profiling came out he started shooting ppl outside montgomery county.
2) he shot the kid at the school in response to news about our schools being safe.