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Random sniper thoughts(6 posts)

Random sniper thoughtscarnageasada
Oct 10, 2002 12:27 PM
I was reading a little Borges on my lunch break and I ran across this thought. "Whatever one man does, it is as if all men did it. For that reason it is not unfair that one disobediance in a garden should contaminate all humanity . . . perhaps Schopenhauer was right: I am all other men, any men is all men."
What ran through my mind is that as deplorable and cowardly and disgraceful as that sniper is. . . he fails us all. For in him or her is the possibility that we too, could become what that person is. Not that you or I overnight will go around randomnly shooting people but with the wrong genes, the wrong social environment . . . we could be that person. And that is the most horrible thought of all. Thoughts? Am I way off base on this one?
Borges huh?ColnagoFE
Oct 10, 2002 12:43 PM
I love Borges...pretty trippy stuff. The Spanish Kafka maybe? I don't think you're off base. I often think some dark thoughts and how easy it would be to just totally flip out...the difference is that they stayed thoughts and never transformed into actions. The sniper methodically carried these thoughts out. I suspect the line between him and the average person is not as wide as people think. We all have the potential to to great good...and also great evil. The again there can't be great good without great evil. They define each other. We are trapped by language. Ahhh....my brain just exploded.
I'm reading Labryinthscarnageasada
Oct 11, 2002 3:32 AM
And he is trippy. I don't think it's a coincedence that Marquez, Borges and bananas all come from Latin America. And you're right to mention that people are also capable of great good too. I forget that sometimes.
Does that apply to the likes of Bin Laden?czardonic
Oct 10, 2002 1:04 PM
It seems de rigueur these days to simply write off certain heinous acts as "evil". Any attempt to disect their roots and motivations is condemned as an apology for the perpetrator. Obviously, this stance absolves us from the distateful task of attempting to understand motive and acknowledging certain facts that, without justifying the reaction, contribute to the madness we see in the world.

Ultimately, does this feigned internal purity do us any good? If every instance of evil is dismissed as singular and beyond the scope of "normal" human beings, can we ever hope to identify threats before they strike?

For instance, it was sworn up and down that no one could have anticipated the use of hijacked planes a weapons. But we have seen planes hijacked before, and we have see planes intentionally crashed into buildings before. One hardly needs to be a deranged psychopath to connect those dots. Without yeilding to complete paranoia, it seems that there are a lot of "evils" that could be obstructed if we were more comfortable exploring our own dark thoughts.
Exactlycarnageasada
Oct 10, 2002 6:16 PM
I was in the bagel shop the other day when a woman cut in front of me. She bumped past myself and my four year old son. A surge of anger rose inside me. I wanted to push and elbow my way in front of her. Then I caught myself saying, "This is a bagel shop. Bagel shop. You will still get your bagel." How far is that from Osama Bin Laden attacking the United States for what he beleives (right or wrong) are injustices. It's far but I think you're right . . . when I started to elbow forward, filled with hostility, I shared a little something with the sniper, with Osama, with everyone who ever sought revenge through anger.
Could we have anticipated? Kramblings...Kristin
Oct 11, 2002 6:41 PM
Sure. The problem, I think, is that there is far too much to anticipate. The average person--who can't do much to avert a strike anyway--becomes quickly overwhelmed and feels out of control. So we focus instead on what we can control...what's inside of us. Although, I don't believe that many people are navel gazing and trying to grow. My generation seems to have mastered avoidance. We have primarily watched television, drank, gotten addicted to drugs or bought SUV's. (Sorry for dig. LAUGH! Its good for you.)

I had a dream several weeks ago. In the dream, the terrorists had rigged very small bombs within the public works system over a long time. They had figured out a way--by blowing many small holes in a number of water pipes--to flood entire towns. Is is possible? Who knows. I don't know anything about public works. But I'm fairly certain they could design a plan by which damaged a sewage facilities would contaminate large amounts of drinking water. If I was a terrorist, I would do somthing that would cause vast amounts of disease like Diptheria to occur in our major cities.

See, it just goes on and on. I don't really have any control over whether or not America is attacked again. And, I trust God to deal with the details of my life. So I will live to the best of my ability today and will let God have the details. I'm not going to live in fear of tomorrow. I believe this: Even if things drastically change for America, its people will essentially be what we were before--perhaps even better--and for those who remain, life will go on in some fashion.

Of course my perspective is a little different as I would consider myself a citizen of the kingdom of God more than an American citizen. My world and my thinking have changed drastically since I decided to follow Christ. I am an American, but only in part. My hope lies in Christ. Nations come and go. This nation will eventually fade away too. I try not to hold onto it too tightly or belong to it too much. But I'll do what I can to be a strong resident.