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How stupid to they think we are?(11 posts)

How stupid to they think we are?DougSloan
Sep 30, 2002 6:54 PM
Anyone else getting this email crap? I can't believe anyone would be stupid enough to think others would be stupid enough to buy into this:

Good Day,

With warm heart I offer my friendship, and my greetings, and I hope this letter meets you in good time. It will be surprising to you to receive this proposal from me since you do not know me personally. However, I am sincerely seeking your confidence in this transaction, which I propose with my free mind and as a person of integrity.

My name is Michael Ndlovu Matongo, the son of Phiri Matongo, a farmer from Zimbabwe, murdered in the land dispute in my country. As led by my instict, I decided to contact you through email, after searching for contacts via the internet, as it is the only means I can contact anybody since I am cutting off ties with Zimbabwe for security and safety reasons. However, I apologize if this is not acceptable to you.

The purpose of this letter is to seek your most needed assistance in a business venture. Due to the the land and political problems in Zimbabwe, as a result of President Robert Mugabe's introduction of new Land Act Reform wholly affecting the rich white farmers and the few rich black farmers, and his desire to hold on to power for life, my father forsaw the danger that came in Zimbabwe. Before he was murdered, he withdrew all of our business foreign accounts in dollars and sold up our shares in major companies. We then went to Johannesburg, South Africa to deposit the sum of US$8.5 million (Eight million, Five Hundred thousand US dollars), in a private security company. This money was deposited with this Private Security company for safety and security reasons, and was to be used for the purchase of land, new machines and chemicals establishment of new farms in Botswana.

President Mugabe's support for the violent Zimbabwean war veterans and some lunatics in the society, led to the murder of my beloved father and other innocent lives. I was continually threatened to abandon my inheritance from my father after he was murdered. I resited for a while, but when the danger became unbearable, and I survived two murder attempts, I fled Zimbabwe.

I am currently staying in the Netherlands where I am seeking political asylum. In fact my decision to come here to seek asylum, is because the security company from South Africa, has a branch here, and they have moved the deposit from their office in Johannesburg here.

I need to transfer this money to an account and invest part of the money. Since the law of Netherlands prohibits a refugee (asylum seeker) to open any bank account or to be involved in any financial transaction, this is why I am seeking a genuine and reliable partner, whose account this money can be transferred, hence this proposal to you.

You have to understand that this decision taken by me entrusts my future and in your hands, as a result of the safe keeping of this money.

If you accept to assist me, all I want you to do for me, is to assist with arrangements to claim the deposit from the security company from their office here in The Netherlands, as it has now been transfered from Johannesburg, South Africa to their branch here. The company will be legally informed of you representing me.

For your assistance, I have two options for you. Firstly you can choose to have 10% of the money for your assistance, and helping me open an account for the money to be deposited here, or you can go into partnership with me for the proper profitable investment of the money in your country. Whichever the option you want, please to notify me in your reply.

I have also set aside 1%($85,000) of this money for all kinds of expenses that come our way in the process of this transaction, and 4% ($340,000) for Charity donation. If you prefer to accept the 10% for assisting with opening an account, then 85%($7,225,000) will be left in the account here for me.

Please, I want to you maintain the absolut
oops, so much for secrecyDougSloan
Sep 30, 2002 6:55 PM
Please, I want to you maintain the absolute secrecy for the purpose of this transaction.

I look forward to your reply and co-operation, and I thank you in advance as I anticipate your co-operation.

M.N. Matongo
Michael Matongo []

Thanks, Mike. I passed your message along to the FTC.

oops; can't type, either nmDougSloan
Sep 30, 2002 6:56 PM
Does this mean I'm not getting my 10%?mickey-mac
Sep 30, 2002 7:00 PM
Mike sounded so convincing and friendly when I conducted my transaction with him. ;-)
Not bad returns so fardaz I
Oct 1, 2002 1:28 AM
A lot of 'reasonable' people have been down this 10% road. A Brazilian bank manager lost 200 million USD plus of his banks money to such a scheme.
Folks in the US have also done their little contribution to the cause.
Over here, its called '419', after the section of the criminal code that deals with advance fee fraud.
What bike are you buying with your share
I get about one a week.MXL02
Oct 1, 2002 5:23 AM
I think they get professional association member lists or do searches for websites, and then blanket broadcast these things. MDs and JDs have been known to make some pretty bad business decisions, but like you, even I saw the BS in this one.
I get about one a week.Jon Billheimer
Oct 1, 2002 6:39 AM
This type of scam has been coming out of several African countries for a number of years now.
How stupid are we?mr_spin
Oct 1, 2002 6:48 AM
Obviously this stuff works because we hear stories all the time about somebody falling for it. It costs them basically nothing to send out a couple of hundred Emails, and all it takes is for one person to bite.

At least this one was written by an educated person. The grammar, the spelling, and the diction are all quite good. All the others I've seen have been pathetic.
Between the Zimbabweans and
Oct 1, 2002 8:02 AM
I did a newspaper column when I started getting those pitches three or four years ago (mine were from Nigeria), and readers started sending them to me. I've seen hundreds of them. Apparently if they get a response they start small, asking for a contribution for office supplies or fax machines, that kind of stuff. I've talked with a few people who sent them a few hundred dollars and heard stories of others.
In a possibly related development, I responded to one of those popups with a phony name, Myrick Evanston, just to see what would happen. I used my real high school and year of graduation. In two or three months I've had at least a dozen notices from that "Myrick, friends are trying to reach you" or "Myrick, you have new messages from friends." When I log on to check them, they tell me I have to become a Gold Member (for $36) to hear from my old high school buddies. Just imagine how popular Myrick would be if he actually existed....
Not think - knowmoneyman
Oct 1, 2002 8:26 AM
I personally know of a farmer in Nebraska who fell for this thing hook, line and sinker. He came to me about 9 years ago, asking how to best invest $6mm for a short time. After much discussion and use of the phrase "If it sounds too good to be true...", he went about his business and started sending the Nigerians money. He borrowed the money from his credit card, his mother's credit card (cash advances of $40,000) and several other sucke...errr, friends. He sent the money to the Nigerians, and they just played him like a violin. He ended up taking trips to Malaysia, the Phillipines and Africa. He ended up losing over $200m to these people. I went to the local FBI office and informed them of what was going on, and the Agent told me that this had been going on for years. Today it is email, then it was faxes.

So they know just how stupid SOME of us are. Paraphrasing what another poster said, it only takes one.

And, in a stupid related frame, a joke:

A very bad counterfeiter once made a batch of $18 bills. His partner in crime was astounded at the man's stupidity. He asked where he could possibly pass an $18 bill. "Oh, there's a bank donwtown with some real dumb people working there. I'll take it there." He went to the bank and proceeded to hand a teller an $18 bill. "I'd like change for this," he said. To which the teller replied: "How would you like it? Two $9's or three $6's?"

Not think - knowI Love Shimano
Oct 1, 2002 7:26 PM
Damn, he must have been very stupid. Why did he have to visit the Philippines? I guess some of the con artists hide out here.