Sep 16, 2002 7:38 AM
|I was told that I was too nice with my employees. That I take their side on disciplinary hearings. I am Superintendent of Public Works, with a Director being above me. He is equivalent to a CEO and I am the COO. What do you think he means? Do you feel he wants me to represent the administration side? This is what I think?|
|are they taking advantage of you?||ColnagoFE|
Sep 16, 2002 8:08 AM
|That's about all I can think he might mean. If not, and the work is getting done and done well I don't see what the CEO has to say about it. Seems to me that "being mean" might be a way to avoid paying raises or bonuses? Corporate culture is so much crap. Good leadership is largely nonexistent and managers treat their employees like little kids who are misbehaving all to often. Can you tell I'm a little bitter about it?|
|are they taking advantage of you?||netso|
Sep 16, 2002 8:32 AM
|You are correct that Pay raises, bonuses are a factor. Also, I will not treat the employees like lttle children.
Our work is done on a timely and efficient manner.
|What you say is so true.||Kristin|
Sep 16, 2002 8:33 AM
|I watched a talented and well liked manager of 35 years get laid off during the 11th hour. He was replaced by a sloth with not even half of his knowledge--this guy isn't mean to people by any stretch, but he doesn't have an assertive bone in his body. It depends on the department though. I know some awesome managers. They just aren't my managers.|
Sep 16, 2002 8:12 AM
|That's a pretty weak statement for an evaluation. I hope your boss didn't actually write that down. I mean, what are you supposed to do, pick one at random and humiliate him in front of everyone, or maybe just slap him around?
What it probably means is that you need to run a tighter shop. Why are your people even having disciplinary hearings? Isn't that a bad thing? People don't have disciplinary hearings when they are doing a great job.
It may also mean that you aren't seeing their flaws. Long ago, I was an asst. manager of a Pizza Hut. They sent me to management training, which was basically a few hours of class, then massive drinking and partying back at the hotel. One of the few things I remember is that all your employees can't be angels, and if you think they are, you're a bad manager. It's the same thing in school--if everyone in the class is getting an A, the class isn't hard or challenging enough.
|why can't all employees be angels?||ColnagoFE|
Sep 16, 2002 10:31 AM
|yeah chances are that they aren't gonna be--just as you often will get a crappy manager/director to work for. but i've worked some jobs with very talented teams where each individual was a hard worker and brought lots to the table. in my current job my mananger was forced to rate the whole department on a 'bell curve' regardless of whether it actually fit with the employees' accomplishments or not. so basically there had to be a "a" student, a "b" student, a "c" student and a failing student. not a good way to stay motivated from an employee's standpoint and effectively takes away the power of a manager to reward good teamwork IMO.|
|why can't all employees be angels?||netso|
Sep 16, 2002 10:40 AM
|When I taught at a Medical School (which shall remain nameless), we were not allowed to flunk individuals. If they were failing in a class they got to take it over. Makes you wonder about the quality of some Doctor's.|
|because they can't||mr_spin|
Sep 16, 2002 12:54 PM
|As I recall, what they taught me at Pizza Hut came from the famous book "The One Minute Manager." Check it out. You can read it in one sitting.|
|I can recommend a book||DougSloan|
Sep 16, 2002 11:59 AM
|"Managing for Dummies." http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1568848587/qid=1032206452/sr=1-75/ref=sr_1_75/002-6862431-2072864?v=glance&s=books#product-details
It really is helpful. I've read it.
Keep in mind that often superiors think they need to say something negative in an evaluation. I'm not sure why, but it almost seems expected.
Don't guess, come right out and ask they guy what he means. Ask for suggestions on how to improve. Ask him what he would do.
You can be an effective manager without being mean, no doubt. However, occasionally you might need to be tough or demanding, if called for.
|re: try and work where I do||cyclejim|
Sep 16, 2002 8:30 PM
|And you will really see how bad things can get in a company with a poor management team and spineless managers. Try this on for size. I applied for a non-supervisory management position about 3 years ago. Me and about 20 applicants each went thru a short interview/test process. A few days after this, my grandmother passed away and I went out of town to attend her funeral. When I got back I found out I had been promoted?!?, but none of the promotees were ever officially offered the position, were told the pay rate, the job duties & responsibilities, etc. We were just promoted and then informed of such! Since then my company has proceeded to require us to do anything and everything under the sun at their whim.
There are many non management personnel making more money than myself and a number of other managers, even though we have many more years of technical experience, knowledge, responsibilities, etc. Some of these people got raises by threatening the management team with various things in the past. The old director slept with various females in the office all of whom later got away with various offenses worthy of termination.
My current manager is afraid to discipline his employees and is unable to provide direction to them, so we have to live with one co-worker who is bi-polar and is abusive, aggressive, loud, and obnoxious and nothing ever gets done about it. There is another one who does absolutely no work, but my boss just says "well he never does anything I give to him". Instead of taking action he piles the work onto those of us who actually do work until we are overloaded and stressed out. This guy is allowed to sit around and surf the net all day long. There is another guy who is supposed to support about 20 other people as a technical expert but no one goes to him because he doesn't know a thing about his job. He has continued in his position like this for over 2 years! Now you are probably wondering why I dont leave this madhouse...well I would but I can't find another job right now!
Gosh... that turned into a rant didnt it? LOL