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digital pianos? seem to be a lot of musicians out here(7 posts)

digital pianos? seem to be a lot of musicians out hereColnagoFE
Sep 9, 2002 7:28 AM
due to space concerns we had to sell our baby grand piano when we moved. am thinking about getting one of those digital pianos for the new place. something for the kids to eventually take lessons on and play. any thoughts on a good brand/mode? or should i forget digital pianos altogether? i demoed a roland (forget the model) that was about $1500 and seemed to sound pretty good. felt just about like playing a piano. touch sensitive, records, range of sounds. Any thoughts?
hate 'emmr_spin
Sep 9, 2002 7:37 AM
I've never heard a digital piano that sounded anything like a real piano. There is no substitute for the real thing. Even the models that have 88 wooden, weighted keys, aren't the same. I'd say if you want a piano for the kids and have no room (or money) for a grand, get a spinnet or upright.
Go for itStarliner
Sep 9, 2002 8:49 AM
Consider the style of music you want to play in your decision. If classical, then you'll have piano purists wincing at your faux pas. Modern music is different, with digitals arguably more desireable in a creative sense given the increased range of sounds you can get from the instrument. Other, pragmatic factors to consider are your space limitations, and the portability (laptop) factor.
the one i demoedColnagoFE
Sep 9, 2002 9:07 AM
had touch sensitive keys and the 3 foot pedals (sorry don't know the correct terms for these) so sustain and such can be used. for my ear it sounded pretty similar to a regular piano--though you can adjust the sound to be able to play bass with some of the keys and organ and the like if you want. sure it's no grand or baby grand, but the action felt similar and the benefits would be that it's small, the kid can use headphones to practice, and no tuning ever needed. why are people against these? i'm sure there are cheap versions that are crap, but are all digital pianos bad? what are the disadvantages other than the fact that it isn't a "true" piano? note that this wasn't a "keyboard" or synth. they had those too, but for the $ you could do the same effects with a computer these days.
Check out the YamahasEager Beagle
Sep 10, 2002 12:34 AM
The Clavinova range if you have the $, or if you want a little cheaper, go the YPP range. I have played both - the Clavs are indistingusihable from the real thing - "proper" weighted action etc, and great range of sampled sounds.

I have a YPP I use as a portable (66 note) - it has an adjustable weighted keyboard, and a nice range of pianio sounds. A few nice features build it too, like a metronome, and recording function (amazing how what you think you just played actually sounds).

Also, as they are (I think all) MIDI compatible, if you need another sound, just use the keyboard and work an expander etc.
Got one, love it, doesn't compare to the real thingStampertje
Sep 10, 2002 9:18 AM
I had the space, noise, and moving considerations all at one time, so I got a digital stage piano - it's the one that sits on a X-stand. I got the Kawai M9000 over the Yamaha P200 - the Yamaha had more realistic touch but I didn't like the shrill sound of the Yamaha (I'm told that their acoustic pianos are the same - it's really a personal issue). I also felt that the stage pianos were had more realistic action and sound than the Clavinovas at the same price level. I believe the Clavinovas are still considered the best "fixed" digitals, however.

If you're not thinking about moving or storing it, I still think you can bet better sound out of a good upright. I believe uprights can even be retro-fitted with sensors so you can use headphones. In any case, you can get a cloth damper (just a layer of felt between the hammers and the strings) that will take the sting out of your children practicing. The action, even on the yamaha, is lighter than that of an acoustic piano and the dynamic range is not as large, so you'll develop better feel (touche) on the acoustic, too.

If you would like to be able to move it (out of the way or altogether) or if you like the extra options of a digital (neither of the stage pianos record, by the way), a digital works just fine. I have a lot of fun playing it and I wouldn't be able to otherwise. I don't feel it limits me, but playing on a "real" piano still feels and sounds better.

This to mr_spin: the manager of the store where I demo'ed the yamaha let me play a baby grand sitting in the showroom. After my comment that you really could tell the difference between that baby and all the digitals he showed me that it had no strings... it digitally generates vibrations right on the resonant board inside the piano. I would have bet my life that it was an acoustic... (oh, it also cost about as much as a big-name grand)
makes you wondermr_spin
Sep 10, 2002 11:08 AM
What problem were they trying to solve when they came up with the idea to vibrate the resonant board? Especially if it costs almost as much as the real thing? The only advantage I can see is that it will never need tuning, since it has no strings. I'll bet you still can't get the dynamics and harmonics out of it that you could with real strings. It probably works well as long as you don't push it too hard. A real concert pianist could probably reveal all the flaws.