|Isn't she the hottest?||I Love Shimano|
Aug 20, 2002 12:14 AM
|Who agrees with me? Any of you ever heard of the Corrs? she also has the voice of an angel.|
|Eh, not too bad. nm||Leisure|
Aug 20, 2002 1:05 AM
|Aren't the Corrs an Irish band, and...||RhodyRider|
Aug 20, 2002 5:08 AM
|...isn't there a sister who is just as attractive as this gal? But I might be confused, which is nothing new.|
Aug 20, 2002 5:09 AM
|But I know who she is and yes, she is hot. That voice adds to the "hott-ness"|
|let's see a pix of her without the stage makeup||ColnagoFE|
Aug 20, 2002 5:43 AM
|a good hairstylist and makeup artist can do wonders. ever see models with and without makeup? looks like 2 different people! a good number of runway models are downright fugly without makeup on.|
Aug 20, 2002 6:18 AM
Aug 20, 2002 6:19 AM
|Where's the one of Michael Jackson? nm||Leisure|
Aug 23, 2002 12:16 AM
|uh, what makeup?||Starliner|
Aug 20, 2002 7:54 AM
|What I see is a face hidden in shadows and behind strands of hair -she does have fine bone structure however.|
|the makeup is supposed to "look natural" but it's there (nm)||ColnagoFE|
Aug 20, 2002 8:49 AM
|Ugly models||Jon Billheimer|
Aug 20, 2002 8:50 AM
|I saw a news item on TV the other day about models protesting fashion furs. They were without makeup and without clothes, turning their backs to the cameras. Frankly, most of them looked plain ugly and emaciated.|
|that's not a surprise...||Starliner|
Aug 20, 2002 9:42 AM
|it sounds like they should have kept their furs on... even my cat looks ugly and emaciated when he's sopping wet after I give him a bath...|
|Being a model is more about being photogenic or well poised||Kristin|
Aug 20, 2002 12:09 PM
|Its not at all about being physically attractive. I went to modeling school when I was 12. (Yeah, yeah, my parents bought into that whole Barbazon increase your little girls self esteem crap. Doesn't work. But I learned how to smoke. :-) Anyway, what I learned it is that, though I'm attractive, I'm not model material. I am uncorrdinated, tend to slouch and am very probably the least photogenic person you ever did meet. I know sucessful models who were not "beautiful" by any stretch; but they carry themselves well and it doesn't matter what camera angle you shoot from, their photo's are always stunning.|
|...and being a size 2? :-) nm||DougSloan|
Aug 20, 2002 12:24 PM
|LOL, Yes. Modeling 101||Kristin|
Aug 20, 2002 2:03 PM
|Do you have any idea how hard it is to model in a photo shoot? You know how they say the camera adds ten pounds? Well its true.
This happens for two reasons:
1. Muscles that are relaxed tend to look larger / less-toned than muscles that are tightened. Not a big deal when we are watching someone move around, but in a still life, it captures that loose muscle and makes it look rounder/larger.
2. Pressure points will flatten out muscle and skin and make it appear that the model is overweight.
There are three ways to avoid this:
1. Drop weight. The less muscle you have, the less pressure points to worry about
2. Tighten, tighten tighten. When you're on a photo shoot you must keep all your muscles tense while the shutter is clicking.
3. Reduce pressure points. As much as possible, don't let you body rest against anything...including other body parts. I'll post some examples.
|Incorrect pose, hand on chin||Kristin|
Aug 20, 2002 2:24 PM
|Here the woman has the full weight of her head resting on her hand. See how it pushes her skin up. Also note the tension in her hand and the folds at the wristline because her skin is pulled too tight. It creates a less attractive photograph. And if she didn't know better, she'd think those models are just more gorgeous. Perhaps some are, but mostly they look better on film because they have learned skills to avoid this.|
|Correct pose, hand on chin||Kristin|
Aug 20, 2002 2:28 PM
|This model has been coached a bit. She is not resting her cheed against her hands, she is holder her head just above her hand so that they are barely touching. She is flexing the muscle in her arm slightly and is not putting much weight against either her hands or her knees. This image is also improved by three point studio lighting and a professional photographer. But you get the idea.|
|Correct, Model Sitting||Kristin|
Aug 20, 2002 2:37 PM
|Here is another image I borrowed from the same photographers website: http://www.envisionsphotography.com/index.html
Notice how little of her is touching the ground. If her whole leg were resting on the ground, she would look two sizes larger. This image could be improved just slightly by having her move her straight arm slightly away from her body and having her flex that muscle--which would remove that flattening on her upper arm.
Modeling well isn't easy.
|or not sitting||DougSloan|
Aug 20, 2002 2:46 PM
|So, if Paola were sitting in this picture, she might look 20 pound heavier?|
|yep, Kristin's right, it's a game of smoke and mirrors...||lonefrontranger|
Aug 20, 2002 6:14 PM
|I absolutely guarantee she'd look at least more ungainly sitting down, if not actually heavier. Also note how the photographer timed the shot of her pedaling phase so that both thighs were in extension, with the leg in the foreground looking as long and lean as possible. The low angle helps; taking shots from directly to the side or slightly above the subject "dwarfs" and stunts them; correspondingly shooting from slightly below lengthens them.
I can also guarantee she was either immobile or nearly stationary; meaning all her muscles would be slightly tensed to hold her in place, without being fully contracted and 'bunchy' looking. It's all a game...
Same subject, unposed, with an amateur photographer at the helm (my SO took this shot in '96 at Atlanta). Lack of fill flash ruins this shot in many ways, but note how out of proportion her "skinny" extended calf looks to her "bulky" contracted thigh...:
|Funny, I thought she looked MORE attractive in this picture. nm||Leisure|
Aug 21, 2002 1:07 AM
|here's the thing||DougSloan|
Aug 21, 2002 11:50 AM
|When I see a female athlete, she is inherently attractive to me. As far as I'm concerned, that attraction clearly supercedes beauty that might be defined by photogenic appearance alone. I realize that's a little nutty and purely psychological, but nevertheless real. So, I'd prefer someone like Paola over any covergirl model every time. The faster, the sexier. Well-toned muscles are really sexy, too.
|the sweat is likely glycerine or something similar as well (nm)||ColnagoFE|
Aug 21, 2002 9:34 AM
|"the beauty of the donkey"||lonefrontranger|
Aug 20, 2002 1:16 PM
|My Italian isn't good enough to recall this idiom, but it is a way a young girl is referred to when they decide she has the "right stuff" to make it to Milan. It refers to the type of big, rawboned, gawky women who have the bone structure to look good on film after a multi-hour session in hair and makeup.
I modeled as a teen and looked awful. I still look awful, but at least I'm healthy and ugly instead of emaciated and ugly.
|all we care about||DougSloan|
Aug 20, 2002 1:33 PM
|You're not ugly. That is, unless you posted fake photos of yourself :-)
Besides, all we care about is how you ride!
|PIC WITHOUT STAGE MAKE-UP!||I Love Shimano|
Aug 21, 2002 5:39 PM
|You must listen to her sign too.
She's Irish, BTW. Her sisters are hot too, but she is the hottest one.
|I heard her sign the other day...it was pretty quiet ;-)||Kristin|
Aug 22, 2002 5:02 AM
|she's got even more makeup on in that one! (nm)||ColnagoFE|
Aug 22, 2002 6:24 AM
|she IS pretty good looking in my opinion though (nm)||ColnagoFE|
Aug 22, 2002 6:26 AM
|When are you going to post a decent picture of her?||Sintesi|
Aug 22, 2002 11:50 AM
|IS she always shaded like that. C'mon Shimano boy.|
|PIC WITH NO SHADING!||I Love Shimano|
Aug 22, 2002 4:30 PM
|just for you Maestro Sintesi.|
|AND ANOTHER!||I Love Shimano|
Aug 22, 2002 4:33 PM
|what a beauty||I Love Shimano|
Aug 22, 2002 4:40 PM
|On the silver screen...||The Walrus|
Aug 22, 2002 6:43 PM
|If I'm not mistaken, this is Andrea Corr, who had a small but watchable part as the band manager's sister in "The Commitments", which is always worth a watch (and a listen).|
|yep||I Love Shimano|
Aug 22, 2002 7:39 PM
|She also played the part of Evita's husband's mistress in the movie Evita.|
|She is sweet...||The Walrus|
Aug 22, 2002 7:56 PM
|...but not sweet enough to make it worth watching Madonna....|
|Bwah Ha Ha Ha Ha! nm||Leisure|
Aug 23, 2002 12:18 AM