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Sometimes justice does happen(19 posts)

Sometimes justice does happenKristin
Aug 14, 2002 8:57 AM
Yesterday during my morning commute, I was following six cars in the passing lane doing about 60 MPH. The guy in front was just creeping along. The white Acura in front of me was getting a little ansee, dodging out into the breakdown lane several times to see what was causing the hold up. Finally he snapped, veering his car out into the breakdown lane, passing the entire group. He kicked up plenty of rocks and debree on his way.

I would have given my life savings to see the look on his face as he passed the lead car and turned to glare at the slow driver only to see the Illinios State Police Officer glaring back at him.
re: Sometimes justice does happengregario
Aug 14, 2002 9:18 AM
So, we can assume he got pulled over? I've seen stuff like that happen and have the cops ignore it.
Yes, he was busted. A sweet thing to behold! (nm)Kristin
Aug 14, 2002 9:21 AM
Immediate justice, Nice!.... nmrwbadley
Aug 14, 2002 11:02 AM
not funnyStarliner
Aug 14, 2002 11:33 AM
Clogging a passing lane should be a crime, and if I was the Acura driver I would consider contesting the ticket in court.

I'd be interested to hear from Dinosaur on this one.
Considering that the Trooper was already doing 5 MPH overKristin
Aug 14, 2002 12:05 PM
The Acura has a legal claim here. Its hard enough to fight an officer when he is breaking the law, let alone when he was not. The trooper was over the speed limit and did nothing wrong. The Acura broke serval laws. It would be scoffed out of court.

*shuffles back to studies...
Oops, I meant that the Acura has NO legal claim (nm)Kristin
Aug 14, 2002 12:05 PM
Oops, I meant that the Acura has NO legal claim (nm)Starliner
Aug 14, 2002 12:46 PM
Maybe you're right, but I'd go to court anyway to make a point, and maybe get the fine reduced if not thrown out.

Several things. Passing lanes are for passing, at least in Europe where you don't use it unless passing or if you're driving a Ferrari or a turbo Porsche. If you do, then prepare to be harrassed until you move over to the slower lane.

Speeds when passing can typically go 10-15mph over the speed limit, until the pass is completed. The Acura was in the process of passing, I think.

Speedometers are not necessarily precision instruments, and the 5 mph you mentioned may be inaccurate.

The trooper had a line of cars behind him, in the PASSING lane. Since when is it an objective of law enforcement to reduce traffic flow? I should think it would rather be to reduce the speed of traffic, but not by actively clogging it up.

Had the trooper not clogged up traffic, chances are the Acura would have blended in with the normal flow anyway. Instead, the trooper, in effect, created a traffic situation which then caused the Acura to make an agressive move. That's a lazy, Soviet way of police work, IMO.
Its called pacing and its not that uncommon,TJeanloz
Aug 14, 2002 12:52 PM
It's the oldest police trick in the book; drive 5mph over the speed limit on the highway, and write a ticket to the first car that dares pass you. They typically don't drive exactly the speed limit because spedometers are understood to only be accurate to ~5mph. But if you pass him, and he's already 5mph over, you can be sure that you know you are over.

You can't break the speed limit to pass on a road with a designated passing lane.

I've seen the scenario play out many times, though, typically the trooper drives in the right lane, giving the opportunity to pass in the left to anybody bold enough.
I agree--the trooper was pacing. However,Kristin
Aug 14, 2002 12:59 PM
The guy in the Acura didn't just pass him in another lane. He passed in the breakdown lane. In Illinios, this is something that is not only illegal, its just not done. (Unlike those crazy Bostonians.)
I've been on the El train, inbound to Chicago from O'Hare...nova
Aug 15, 2002 12:25 PM
and of course the train was outrunning the Eastbound traffic, no problem. Then I see a vehicle (SUV) catch up with the train, keep pace with the train, and pass the train. How? He was driving on the right-hand shoulder of the expressway (sorry, don't know its name)

He (it was a man) was *flying* down the shoulder. And if you are familiar with that stretch of roadway, then you know that there are short, steep onramps which dump merging traffic onto the expressway from above. It was a total gamble as to whether or not he would collide with a merging vehicle. He didn't... but it was one of the dumbest things I've seen on roadways since I've been driving.

Made me happy to be on the train!
impeding trafficmr_spin
Aug 14, 2002 1:17 PM
There is a law in California where you have to pull over if more than five cars are stacked up behind you. This has to be one of the most ignored and least enforced laws on the books. It's called impeding traffic, and it is the same law that forces bicyclists to ride as far right as reasonable (not as far right as possible). There is also a law that slower traffic has to stay to the right. That applies even if you are a cop.

It's idiotic to pass a cop who is doing the speed limit or greater, and even worse to do it on the shoulder. Still, there could be mitigating circumstances here. Probably not contestable issues, given the stupid way in which this guy handled the situation, but if he raises a stink about the cop's driving behavior, maybe the judge will cut him some slack on the fine.
not funnyDINOSAUR
Aug 19, 2002 6:45 PM
Caught me lurking here. I guess a "breakdown lane" is the same as a shoulder in the state of California. If so, the Acura is dead meat.....now that I am retired I can say that you seldom ever see a cop when you need one!!!
breakdown laneStarliner
Aug 20, 2002 8:12 AM
yeah, it took me a few days to figure out what a "breakdown" lane is. I guess in Illinois you have passing lanes and breakdown lanes... must be a lot of rusty clunkers motoring around there
Isn't the "breakdown lane" on the left? nmDougSloan
Aug 20, 2002 1:45 PM
Don't know..DINOSAUR
Aug 20, 2002 3:48 PM
In Ca. the left shoulder is refered to as the center divider or the center median divider. Not familiar with Ill highways and byways...
re: Sometimes justice does happenfirstrax
Aug 14, 2002 8:17 PM
I had a friend that passed an 18 wheeler in the break down lane. He hit and killed a man changing his tire. Now he will never drive again (he was driving with a suspended license) he wasted his 930 ruff and now wears one of those house arrest ankle bracelets.

This same guy rammed his boat into another killing everyone but himself.

I hope this guy is pulled of the road for a while.

I have a camera and radar mounted in my car and catch a lot of people passing in the breakdown lane on tape. If I follow long enough they always do it again.
Sounds like if justice would have been served...Wayne
Aug 15, 2002 7:18 AM
he'd be in prison. At some point engaging in grossly stupid behavior crosses the line and should get you a punishment along the lines of people who intentionally commit heinous acts.
Much, much more severe example...Wayne
Aug 15, 2002 6:39 AM
tested a guy yesterday who sustained his spinal cord injury while drunk (and under 21), trying to outrun the cops. They dropped all the charges, I guess they figured in some tragic sense justice had been served.