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Epithets for dumb white males.(29 posts)

Epithets for dumb white males.Sintesi
Aug 14, 2002 7:46 AM
Going on colker's post below, does anyone know any good dumb white male epithets? You almost never hear these which leads me to believe most epithets are created by DWMs in the first place.

This is just for fun, no viciousness please. We can laugh at ourselves, right?

I've encountered the following:

cracker
whitey
mick
redneck
Casper


Pretty lame, can't say I find these too insulting. Anybody know some good ones.

My personal favorite is "Biscuit head." I'm DWM so i can say that. : )
'mick' is derogatory for irish (nm)ColnagoFE
Aug 14, 2002 7:58 AM
I guess that would be a subset of the larger DWM grouping. nmSintesi
Aug 14, 2002 9:08 AM
let me get this straight?DougSloan
Aug 14, 2002 8:15 AM
Despite most of us condemning epithets, you are stirring up the pot attmempting to come up with more slurs we may not even be aware of? Epithets are either right or wrong -- which is it? Does it depend upon the target?

You say this is just for fun. Well, I don't see the fun. Was it fun for people when the other epithets were used? Don't think so. You deserve a good flaming for this one.

Doug
Simple mindsStarliner
Aug 14, 2002 12:03 PM
I've got to credit you for your balanced comments on this subject, in the other threads as well. I think you're right on with this one.

Using derogatory names usually says more about the person using the name. Simple minds tend to seek simple ways to keep their simple lives from being too complicated. Creating groups, such as rednecks, dykes, queers, niggers, WASPs, etc., and assigning people to them keeps their lives organized and easy to figure out.

-Starliner, a claustrophobic iconoclast
Haole in HawaiianKristin
Aug 14, 2002 8:33 AM
In America there are no deragatory terms for straight, white men. Don't you know that straight, white, American males are perfect?
what makes a word derogatory?DougSloan
Aug 14, 2002 9:00 AM
What makes any word derogatory? A word by itself carries no power. The power to hurt comes only if the target views the word as having a hurtful message, hurtful intention, and the thought that other people see it the same way.

Some words can be derogatory or not, depending upon context. Mention SUV here, and it's usually derogatory (large, wasteful, polluting, dangerous behemoth driven by selfish, ignorant, idiots -- right?). Use the same word in Car and Driver and it's a lot more objective, no different than "station wagon." More emotionally charged words are the same, to some degree. "Nigger" is probably the best example. Black people can use it. White people don't dare.

Someone could call me "whitey," "honky," "gringo," "yuppie," or whatever all day long, and it does not hurt. Why is that? Is it because I simply don't allow it to hurt? Is it simply because those words just are good enough, but once someone comes up with the right word, it might hurt? My point is, I think, that words hurt only if you let them.

Why does someone, anyone, feel hurt when someone uses an epithet? The only thing I can think of is that it shows disrespect, dislike, it's embarrassing, or something similar. My bet, though, is that the victim really has all the power. If the victims simply refuse to allow themselves to be hurt from the words, the words lose all their power. I don't get called a "honky" because I couldn't care less about it. I'd laugh at someone if they did. If someone called me a redneck, I'd probably point out that I drink Fosters, not Budweiser, and ride a Colnago. In other words, I just treat it as stupid and objectively incorrect.

Maybe it's difficult to understand how words can hurt unless one is a member of a group that is not respected as much as they should be. I don't know. I have to believe, though, that if everyone would just not allow the words to hurt, or show it, at least, the words would lose their power.

Any thoughts? Maybe we can turn this silly thread into something useful, yet.

Doug
yeah Lenny Bruce said this same thing years ago (nm)ColnagoFE
Aug 14, 2002 10:10 AM
I think the most disrespectful thing...RhodyRider
Aug 14, 2002 12:13 PM
...to call or be called is "irrelevant." It states that you simply do not matter at all - your ethnicity, religion, clothing or music choices, etc. - none of it counts. You don't exist, essentially.
What is more hurtful than that? Heck, if you call someone "spic" or "yuppie a-hole" or whatever, you are recognizing them for something, even if not in a positive light. Call someone irrelevant, and you aren't allowing them anything.
My $0.02 worth.
Yeah, that's what the Borg did to Captain Picard. nmSintesi
Aug 14, 2002 12:27 PM
Yes, but....Starliner
Aug 14, 2002 1:01 PM
... one can make a shift from being irrelevant to becoming relevant. Plus, there might be some truth to it in the first place, which can be a motivator for change.

In contrast, a black person spitefully called a nigger because he/she is black cannot make a similar shift. Ask Michael Jackson.
VERY good point, S. I am enriched! Tks. :-)) -nm-RhodyRider
Aug 15, 2002 4:38 AM
Interesting...jtolleson
Aug 14, 2002 6:06 PM
I heard a friend in law school call someone a "waste of skin" which I thought was probably as harsh a devaluation as there is.

But ultimately not emotionally charged, o'course.
VictimedStarliner
Aug 14, 2002 12:16 PM
A word carries a certain energy. If that energy is negative, by allowing that energy to stick to you makes you a victim. What you are speaking of is an awareness of this, and through this awareness, a conscious decision to not let the negative energy stick.

Some people have this awareness and use it; some don't because they haven't figured it out yet, and get genuinely hurt. Then there are some who are aware, but still fall into the victim mode for reasons that are generally selfish.
Haole in HawaiianIronbutt
Aug 14, 2002 10:02 AM
She said with tongue planted firmly in cheek, the better to allow the sarcasm to drip from her lips!
In honor of the poster, let's call them Sintesies! (nm)jose_Tex_mex
Aug 14, 2002 9:35 AM
Are you calling me a dumb white male? (nm)Sintesi
Aug 14, 2002 9:42 AM
Nope, you took care of that yourself!jose_Tex_mex
Aug 14, 2002 9:47 AM
Sorry Sintesi,

I think the post was "dumb."
You proclaimed yourself to be a DWM.

I just connected the dots...

:-)
Your logic is impeccable.Sintesi
Aug 14, 2002 9:56 AM
Now have you heard any epithets you yahoo?
I am the smartest man alive - Billy Maddisonjose_Tex_mex
Aug 14, 2002 10:15 AM
I think when it comes to epithats for white males the effect is lost as the intended victim really doesn't care or at least does not let them bother him.

There are a lot of epithats for individual white males from Italy, Poland, Ireland, Germany... However, as a group there are only a few.

As for cracker - that's insulting more to the person who calls it than to the person it is said. Doesn't this term come from the master cracking the whip at slaves?
remember Forrest Gump?DougSloan
Aug 14, 2002 10:31 AM
Of course it was just a movie, but no matter what anyone said to him or called him, he just sloughed it off. "Stupid is as stupid does." Maybe he was too dumb to be hurt. Hmm. Maybe there is something to that? :-)

Doug
CrackersIronbutt
Aug 14, 2002 2:26 PM
Actually, the full terrm is "Florida Cracker." The term originated from the 1880's when cattle were allowed to roam freely in central and northern Florida. When it came time to take the cattle to market, they were rounded up by cowboys who were as often as not on foot. Since gunpowder was at a premium, they used the crack of their whips to communicate with one another regarding their location, the number of cattle that they had rounded up, etc. The crack of a bullwhip resounds like a shot, and in open terrain can be heard distinctly for several miles.
"Bush voters." (nm)cory
Aug 14, 2002 11:03 AM
gonna have to do better than that! nmDougSloan
Aug 14, 2002 11:17 AM
d@mn Bush voters? nmSpinchick
Aug 14, 2002 3:39 PM
just stick with a$$hole nmDougSloan
Aug 14, 2002 7:55 PM
don't you ever shut up....128
Aug 16, 2002 7:28 AM
Id. nmDougSloan
Aug 16, 2002 7:31 AM
Ibid. Ofay. nm128
Aug 16, 2002 7:38 AM