|Used Car Salesman...I frinkin hate um....||jrm|
Jul 13, 2002 12:28 PM
|Any tips to offer on how to deal with them. They have the car i want. i want to be able to just make an offer, but not play into the usual tactic's.|
Jul 13, 2002 2:23 PM
|Be willing to walk away. That is the only way. Tell them, "I'll make one offer, of you accept it, I'll buy the car." If they don't, you must walk at that point. If you don't walk, you're on their turf, then, and be prepared to suffer miserably.
|yup...buying a car sucks||ColnagoFE|
Jul 15, 2002 8:47 AM
|the only reason these jokers keep doing their little games is it must pay off well. even after you make a deal on the car then you gotta deal with the finance guy who will try and screw you more for unneeded stuff at elevated prices. do your research first otherwise you will definately get hosed.|
|The Sales Manager was such a TOOL||jrm|
Jul 16, 2002 3:21 PM
|Condesending, patronizing. But well i knew i was smarter and if he wanted to play a game i was game but i knew he was going down. And well he did, after i said to his face that his tude was about to blow the deal for the dealership and the sales lady. Got the price i wanted and a three aspirin headache in the process.|
|<b>Kristin's Car Buying Rules For The Aimiable: </b>||Kristin|
Jul 15, 2002 5:22 AM
|Yikes. Be willing to pay top dollar. Unique items command high prices. Did the car dealer told you that he owns the only make/model/color/year of this particular car? I'd check around. They could be lying. True story: A lady paid $22,000 for a two year old 1999 Blue Ford Escort. If you are married to the idea of THIS particular car, you will pay too much for it.
I can empathize with your frustration. Despite all my preparedness, I always felt that I was being strung along by the saleezguy. I'd get a vague sense that I was playing right into his hand. The only thing that saved me was my willingness to walk. Several times, I'd return and negotiate again. Sometimes, I just decided that I wouldn't deal with particular people or dealers.
Kristin's Car Buying Rules For The Aimiable:
1. Armed thyself with knowledge. Know the car well. Know its base value (used is harder to determine--I average the classifieds, Kelly's & Edmunds) and the the value of ALL options.
2. Shop after hours (but not at after dark or alone. One night I interrupted a robbery in progress and put myself in danger. Be careful.)
3. Find identical cars at at least 3 dealers and know their prices.
4. Know your bottom line when before you go to the dealer. Don't change this ever. Don't reveal this ever.
5. Listen to Kenny Rogers "The Gambler" on the way there
6. As soon as you sense that the sleazy guy is in control of negotiations shout, "Mayday! Abort, ABORT!" And walk out of the dealership. Aimiable people rarely regain the upperhand. Wage your battle another day.
7. If you reveal your bottom line--the aimiable often do this despite themselves--end it with that dealership. You can't win there anymore. Or at least, you'll never be sure if you won or not.
If you're in a hurry to buy this particular car, just do it. You won't get a great price for it. But the headache will go away sooner. You must determine what is more important to you. A great deal on a used car, or a pain free noggin. There is no right answer either. Only what's best for you.
|Someone was robbing the used car salesmen?||mr_spin|
Jul 15, 2002 7:24 AM
|Now that's irony.|
Jul 15, 2002 8:01 AM
|Just don't go; check the ads and buy from an owner.|
|re: Used Car Salesman...I frinkin hate um....||pa rider|
Jul 15, 2002 9:26 AM
|My brother sold used for two years until he found another job. He got laid off and a friend said he could work at his shop. He tried working at a bigger car dealer first, before he worked for his friend.
Here's the sales man side. Some car delears (chevy or ford dealerships for example) have lot fees for the cars and each salesman has to pay the owner a fee ($100 to $750 per vehicle sold). The mark up on a used car is $3000 to $4000. That's why they can work with you and still make a good profit.
Always look at the Kelly blue book and decide if they're even close. I trade a car in for a new one and they give me $3000 and then sale it for over $7000. You see my point.
If the guy selling to you owns the car he really going to screw you. Here in PA we have alot of autions where these salesman get the cars cheap and sell them for that $3000 to $4000 profit. Even a car they buy for $500 they'll sell for $2000.
Just thought I better leave you know. Better to know what drives them to say it's there final offer. By the way. when some of my brother friend want to get an used car they take him with them to shop. The salesman hates it when he talks to them and yes my brother's friend always get the car at a cheaper price. He uses the Kelly blue book to haggle.
|Beat the Salesman--links||AllisonHayes|
Jul 15, 2002 9:43 AM
|Michael Royce's, BEAT THE CAR SALESMAN |
The Car Salesman's Game
Good luck on one of life's more unpleasant activities...
|You cannot beat a man at his own game.||MXL02|
Jul 16, 2002 7:51 AM
|Find another car being sold by a private owner. Otherwise bend over and spread 'em. You cannot beat them. MHO, after buying and selling dozens of cars.
PS- I now collect bikes...much less expensive and more fun!
|be informed and have a limit.||Steve98501|
Jul 16, 2002 12:39 PM
|I like to use Edmunds.com to estimate what they call the TMV (true market value) of a car. Unless you offer the sticker price, dealers assume negotiation is in order. If the TMV is less than the sticker price, make your initial offer less than the TMV, assuming you're willing to pay the TMV. That gives you a bit of negotiating room. If you want the car badly enough, decide ahead of time how much more than TMV you are willing to pay. They know this game better than you ever will, so limit your behavior by decisions you make ahead of time. And if they won't sell at your upper limit, walk, just as others have advised.
I got a nice used car once, when I was only half looking, not really needing a new car. I made an initial offer, the salesman countered with my price plus us splitting the cost of a new muffler and tailpipe the car needed. I was OK with that. He knew I wasn't going to come close to the sticker price and apparently decided he wanted to make a sale that day.
I guess the upshot is that occasionally they'll make you a fair deal if the only alternative seems to be not making any sale at all that day. Good luck.