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See where liberal thinking will get you?(38 posts)

See where liberal thinking will get you?Dog
Jan 23, 2002 7:49 AM
With the high rate of attacks on women in secluded parking lots, especially during evening hours, the Minneapolis City Council has established a "Women Only" parking lot at the Mall of America.

Even the parking lot attendants are exclusively female so that a comfortable and safe environment is created for patrons. Attached is the first picture available of this world's first women-only parking lot in Minnesota.
attachmentDog
Jan 23, 2002 7:50 AM
LOL,Man, you have courage.........Len J
Jan 23, 2002 7:54 AM
that picture is going to incite every male/female stereotype.

I think I'll put my helmet on.

Len
LOL,Man, you have courage.........TxTarpon
Jan 23, 2002 8:07 AM
This woman can drive...and win $$$$ too.
suckup :-) nmDog
Jan 23, 2002 8:10 AM
suckup :-) nmTxTarpon
Jan 24, 2002 9:55 AM
Dude...she is a hottie
Where do I send the flowers to your funeral? nmMcAndrus
Jan 23, 2002 8:05 AM
The report of my death was an exaggeration. nmDog
Jan 23, 2002 8:08 AM
I knew it, Dog: Sexism to go along with the fascismSmall Ring
Jan 23, 2002 8:26 AM
Pretty funny, though, in a benighted, politically incorrect kind of way.
how dare you call me a fascistDog
Jan 23, 2002 8:32 AM
I'm more of a libertarian. Sort of the polar opposite of fascist.

Doug
libertarian huh?Ted the Horseman
Jan 23, 2002 10:44 AM
So you listen to Rush Limbaugh and are a libertarian? Sure you aren't just a good ole boy republican? Do you favor the decriminalization of drugs? Big libertarian plank there that keeps em away from the GOP. Also I'd imagine Libertarians are screaming bloody murder at what old George W and company are doing in the name of "fighting terrorism".
Now THIS is funny.Happy
Jan 23, 2002 11:09 AM
I agreeLOL
Jan 23, 2002 11:15 AM
It's directly to the point too! <nm>TS666
Jan 23, 2002 11:23 AM
Oink. nmTroyboy
Jan 23, 2002 1:06 PM
LOL...good, we now know your a pig : )nm
Jan 23, 2002 1:19 PM
I'll give it a tryDog
Jan 23, 2002 11:16 AM
Somehow, I think this will be wasted effort, but I'll try to respond the best I can.

Lots of people listen to Rush Limbaugh, including Democrats, liberals, libertarians, Republicans and conservatives. The bulk may be skewed toward the conservative end, but there is some diversity. So, my listening to Rush Limbaugh does not negate the possibility of my being a libertarian.

People are not always pidgeon-holed into one set of beliefs belonging to an identifiable group. Frequently, people have diverse beliefs; for example, there are conservatives who oppose the death penalty, and liberals who support it. I don't think anyone is obligated to accept every splinter of every plank of a party "platform." So, someone might be a libertarian even if they opposed decriminalization. That's another entire argument, though. I'm not certain where I would come out on that.

My view of libertariansm as a core philosophy, as opposed to a party platform, is that people should be afforded as much liberty as possible, and government should intrude as little as possible, so that people can make as many educated decisions about their own lives as they can. That's the fundamental belief.

The primary function of the federal government is national defense, even if nothing else. The government providing for that defense will help to ensure maximum liberty for its citizens, including the freedom to live without terror.

I've tried to give you a thoughtful, honest response. Let's not make it personal.

Doug
Amen, brother.McAndrus
Jan 23, 2002 11:50 AM
I'm not a libertarian in case it matters. I listen to Rush frequently and I don't listen to any other conservative radio talk shows. Why? Because he has the highest quality conversations with his callers and because he patiently and carefully explains his beliefs.

And because I enjoy good conversation. Why do you think I spend time here?
Vote Libertarian!js5280
Jan 23, 2002 1:06 PM
I've been a capital L Libertarian for many years now (I've campained for/met Harry Browne in '96 and 2000) despite a regular diet of Rush Limbaugh growing up. Rush is entertaining (still) and he points out the absurdity of liberals/Democrats and, in general, political corruption. Experience has shown me that conservatives/Republicans are one and the same, it's all about funneling influence and money under the guise of "protecting the people." The only power government can't abuse is the power it doesn't have.

I can't wait till liberals figure out the goverment is just as dangerous (actually more so) than corporations and conservatives realize that corporations are just as bad as government. Neither truly has your interests in mind and are really in cahoots, caveat emptor! Once that happens you'll start seeing Libertarians elected to State and Federal levels.

Acutally you displayed your libertarian leanings a little while back here, Doug. I didn't jump on it though. . .

How about making that a capital L and join the party! ;-)

Ventura '04?
I wish I couldDog
Jan 23, 2002 1:18 PM
The problem is, as with any third party, I would not want to waste my vote, and we then left with choosing the lesser of two "evils" (not literally). Generally, I don't agree with Democrats, and I don't agree with Republicans, but I agree with Republicans far more; I'd not want to do something, like support a third party, which to me would help to ensure a Democrat's election. Sort of a pragmatic approach.

Symbolism is ok, and supporting the Libertarian party is largely symbolic in America. It may be unfortunate, but that's reality. It may be easier to participate in one of the major parties to influence them to more libertarian beliefs than support a third party which is almost certainly doomed in our present system.

It's a tough one, chosing between pragmatism and idealism.
Doug
You are already wasting your vote. . .js5280
Jan 23, 2002 2:13 PM
You are lending credibility to their actions which you oppose. The Libertarians are growing in size and influence, not dying off. Unfortunately most of their efforts and funding are spent just getting on the ballot.

Libertarians suffer from three main things; the refusal to take matching funding because it's against Libertarian principles (yes, a party that actually practices it's princples!), exclusion from televised political debates which are frequently funded by tax-dollars (when Jeese got to debate in MN, surprise!), and the generally easy misportrayal of Libertarians as pot-head anarchists who want to hook your child on legal meth-amphetimines and prostitution to support their habit. I think we're chipping away at those obsticles slowly but surely. There are far more people who don't vote, or vote generally based on the televised debates; the Libertarians are a viable party when the word finally gets out. The only time your vote wouldn't be wasted is if the Republican won by only one vote. All other time your vote is worse than wasted, you've lent your credibility to someone who doesn't support your views. I'm like you, I generally will vote Republican, but only when there isn't a LP candidate unless the are a kook. Any group has their kooks though.
why an anarchist will never be electedDog
Jan 23, 2002 2:22 PM
Problem with some philosophies is that the very essence of their beliefs, if followed, will prevent them from being elected. Of course the extreme example is an anarchist. Such a person could never, in good conscience, be elected to any government position. Not accepting matching funds is sort of the same. Your ideals will prevent you from succeeding.

At some point, I think you just have to compromise yourself a bit in the name of the greater good. Don't give up the core of your essence, don't lie, but admit that you have to work within the confines of the existing arena.

Another part of the problem is that often we are associated with our supporters, even though we don't choose them. Conservatives are associated with abortion clinic bombers; liberals with flag burners, and libertarians with drug addicts. Until a larger majority of acceptable supporters appears, it's going to be tough.

Doug
Why I stick with the liberalshms
Jan 24, 2002 6:27 AM
My political philosophy is fairly middle-of-the road these days (i.e., I am not consistently liberal or conservative). But, I can live with the crazies of the left much easier than I can with the crazies of the right. I do not like flag burners or abortion clinic bombers. But, if I had to pick one side or the other, I would rather be with the flag burners than with the abortion clinic bombers. Insofar as the drug addicts are concerned, I would not have a problem with them if they only were hurting themselves, but their actions affect all of us (crime, health care costs, etc.).
debatesgtx
Jan 23, 2002 2:24 PM
the big debates are heavily supported by corporate donations. Nader sued to try to change this and lost.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0501-05.htm
Politicians and Corporations bedfellows? Can't be! (nm)Andy Enron
Jan 23, 2002 2:46 PM
best thing I saw in the last election...gtx
Jan 23, 2002 1:27 PM
was an old guy driving a beat-up pickup with two bumper stickers on the back--one was for McCain, the other for Nader. Kind of how I felt, too.
Even better. . .js5280
Jan 23, 2002 2:23 PM
A Nader sticker on a Corvair! Okay, I didn't see that, but there are tons of Nader supporters here in the People's Republic of Boulder and I see a Corvair on my commute regularly. Should of follow them to home or work and slapped the sticker on. That would be classic!
Even better. . .gtx
Jan 23, 2002 2:27 PM
I almost wanted to buy a Corvair for that very reason! Actually, I am a big Nader fan, but he's not perfect, and his attack on the Corvair was kind of silly.
war on terrorism?Ted the Horseman
Jan 23, 2002 1:28 PM
I happen to be somewhat of a libertarian as well and personally I think the war on some drugs is a big waste of time for reasons I won't get into at this time. As far as the war on terrorism--if it really is that and not a government ruse to protect our oil reserves is potentially the biggest threat to freedom and the American way that I can think of. National ID cards? Detaining people without just cause because they "think" they might have something to do with terrorism? Snooping on your computer postings via high tech software? Sounds like a step towards fascism to me.
To balance the equation...Brooks
Jan 23, 2002 9:32 AM
and also get called a suckup by Dog, don't they have a parking area for men only, too? It stays empty because us men will never ask directions to find it. ;-0

LOL,
Brooks
.....................................Spinchick
Jan 23, 2002 10:05 AM
.............................................,.........

oh, and........................... Heh, heh, heh........
I can only imagineDog
Jan 23, 2002 10:21 AM
You gotta admit it was a little funny :-)
not really thatfunny...how bout a racist joke for followup?(nm)Ted the Horseman
Jan 23, 2002 10:50 AM
It was...Spinchick
Jan 23, 2002 12:18 PM
It'll take alot more than that to rattle my cage. ;-)
re: See where liberal thinking will get you?cp123
Jan 23, 2002 8:17 PM
If spinchick won't bite perhaps someone else should..... how's this for sexism?

From the Washington Post Style Invitation, in which it was postulated that
English should have male and female nouns, and readers were asked to assign
a gender to nouns of their choice and explain their reason. The best
submissions:

SWISS ARMY KNIFE - male, because even though it appears useful for a wide
variety of work, it spends most of its time just opening bottles.

KIDNEYS - female, because they always go to the bathroom in pairs.

PENLIGHT - male, because it can be turned on very easily, but isn't very
bright.

TYRE - male, because it goes bald and often is over-inflated

HOT AIR BALLOON - male, because to get it to go anywhere you have to light a
fire under it... and, of course, there's the hot air part.

SPONGES - female, because they are soft and squeezable and retain water.

WEB PAGE - female, because it is always getting hit on.

SHOE - male, because it is usually unpolished with its tongue hanging out.

COPIER - female, because once turned off, it takes a while to warm up.
Because it is an effective reproductive device when the right buttons are
pushed. Because it can wreak havoc when the wrong buttons are pushed.

ZIPLOC BAGS - male, because they hold everything in, but you can always see
right through them.

SUBWAY - male, because it uses the same old lines to pick people up.

HAMMER - male, because it hasn't evolved much over the last 5,000 years, but
it's handy to have around and is good for killing bugs.

no offence intended to anyone.

just joshin'

claire
An astute aussienm
Jan 23, 2002 8:49 PM
Guys must be the same everywhere!!!! just joshin' of course>>>SMILE<<<
more of the same, Claire!OutWest
Jan 27, 2002 2:08 PM
God made men and women to complement each other with the unique traits each were given:
WOMEN
Women have strengths that amaze men. They carry children, they carry hardships, they carry burdens, but they hold happiness,love and joy. They smile when they want to scream. They sing when they want to cry. They cry when they are happy, and laugh when they are nervous. Women wait by the phone for a "safe at home call" from a friend, after a snowy drive home. They are childcare workers, executives, attorneys,stay-at-home moms, biker babes, and your neighbors. They wear suits, jeans, and they wear uniforms.
They fight for what they believe in. They stand up against injustice. They walk and talk the extra mile to get their kids into the right schools and to get their family the
right health care. They go to the doctor with a frightened friend. Women are honest, loyal, and forgiving. They are smart -- they know that knowledge is power. But they still know how to use their softer side to make a point. Women want to be the best for their family, their friends, and themselves. Their hearts break when a friend dies. They have sorrow at the loss of family member, yet they are strong when they think there is no strength left. A woman can make a romantic evening unforgettable. Women come in all sizes, in all colors and shapes. They live in houses, apartments and cabins. They drive, fly, walk, run or e-mail you to show how much they care about you. The heart of a woman is what makes the world spin! Women do more than just give birth. They bring joy and hope. They give compassion and ideals. They give moral support to their family and friends and all they want in return is a hug, a smile, and for you to do the same for people you come in contact with.

MEN
Men are good at lifting heavy shit.

and like Claire said "no offence meant to anyone...just joshing". There is too much man and woman bashing going on nowadays so if we can learn to enjoy each other it would be better world.
I'm with youDog
Jan 28, 2002 9:48 AM
Women and men to complement each other. They are different in many ways, and thank goodness for that.

Women can lift heavy shit, too. They just get a man to do it for them.

Doug